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2-2-2010 - 18:00 CET, 12PM EST - Educational Reform

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Edchat Transcript: Do We Believe Educators Should Further Education Reform?

 

4:56 pm ShellTerrell: Welcome to #edchat If you are new feel free to ask me or @rliberni any questions!
4:57 pm BterThanSchool: RT @jpsteltz: tech in classroom..ugh...how to get experienced teachers on board? http://bit.ly/9duhwI #authors #blog #education #edtech #edchat #Teacher
4:57 pm JasonFlom: @ShellTerrell Furthering educational reform necessitates we, as teachers, find the time to make our ideas and voices heard. #edchat
4:58 pm hadleyjf: My next hour is devoted to #edchat
4:58 pm msmithpds: I'm getting real-time search results at TweetGrid http://tweetgrid.com/ #edchat
4:58 pm ShellTerrell: Now as we speak #vanmeter is furthering educational reform by presenting to superintendents & the state legislature #edchat
4:59 pm jgmac1106: Listen 2 President Obama's youtube address reform takes "creative teachers" but also says RTTP supports creative teachers. Not sure #edchat
4:59 pm ShellTerrell: Do we believe all educators should further educational reform? Why? #edchat
4:59 pm ShellTerrell: RT @msmithpds: I'm getting real-time search results at TweetGrid http://tweetgrid.com/ #edchat
4:59 pm DeronDurflinger: RT @ShellTerrell: Now as we speak #vanmeter is furthering educational reform by presenting to superintendents& the state legislature #edchat
5:00 pm olafelch: Maybe the biggest problem for teachers is lack of respect for what they do. It makes it hard for them to get their message across. #edchat
5:00 pm rliberni: fro the next hour my tweets are devoted to edchat #edchat
5:00 pm jgmac1106: I think in many way tchrs support reform 25 (or 30-35) kids at a time. Good tching can be contagious (esp w/ parental pressure) #edchat
5:00 pm ShellTerrell: RT @JasonFlom: Furthering educational reform necessitates we, as teachers, find the time to make our ideas & voices heard. #edchat
5:00 pm rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: Do we believe all educators should further educational reform? Why? #edchat
5:00 pm JasonFlom: We also need to stay on top of policy and the reasoning behind it. #edchat
5:00 pm digitalchalk: RT @ShellTerrell: Do we believe all educators should further educational reform? Why? #edchat
5:01 pm teachingwthsoul: To my Twitter Friends...For the next hour my tweets dedicated to #Edchat Topic: As Educators what do we do to further educational reform?
5:01 pm ShellTerrell: RT @jgmac1106: in many way tchrs support reform (30-35) kids at a time. Good tching can be contagious (esp w/ parental pressure) #edchat
5:01 pm hadleyjf: @ShellTerrell Wow what a question! Should all educators further reform? Always such a given - change is best...or not? #edchat
5:01 pm Dramanique: RT @ShellTerrell: Do we believe all educators should further educational reform? Why? #edchat
5:01 pm franze98: educational reform will require those in power to make the tough choice & do whats right 4 kids #edchat
5:01 pm MrR0g3rs: @rliberni i think that educators have an essential role to play in reform because of the experience they bring to the issue #edchat
5:01 pm rliberni: Is reform from within preferable to that imposed? What about its validity? #edchat
5:01 pm rliberni: RT @franze98: educational reform will require those in power to make the tough choice & do whats right 4 kids #edchat
5:02 pm jgmac1106: RT @JasonFlom: We also need to stay on top of policy and the reasoning behind it. #edchat
5:02 pm hadleyjf: We have to model best teaching and learning everyday - with sts. and with colleagues #edchat
5:02 pm openstudy: For the next hour my tweets dedicated to #Edchat Topic: As Educators what do we do to further educational reform? (via @ShellTerrell)
5:02 pm allofek12: @ShellTerrell @rliberni reform is a natural process of improvement & evolution, all educators should contrib. #edchat
5:02 pm cybraryman1: One education chat #ecosys is working on How to drive change in Public Education. See Ed Chats: http://bit.ly/7w7P59 #edchat
5:02 pm Brian_ThomasTCI: #Edchat, I'm looking for a few good people to respond to a voicethread. Teachers or Administrators. http://bit.ly/9wPpiF
5:02 pm DeronDurflinger: @ShellTerrell Thanks Shell for helping. It is appreciated #vanmeter #edchat
5:02 pm ShellTerrell: Why does it have to fall on the teachers? Isn't edu reform more powerful if all stakeholders are involved? #edchat
5:02 pm rliberni: RT @allofek12: @ShellTerrell @rliberni reform is a natural process of improvement & evolution, all educators should contrib. #edchat
5:02 pm hadleyjf: @rliberni I am not sure that "imposed" reform ever works! We close our doors and do what we want. #edchat
5:02 pm cybraryman1: RT @MrR0g3rs: @rliberni i think that educators have an essential role to play in reform because of their experience #edchat
5:03 pm hadleyjf: @Brian_ThomasTCI Can it be after #edchat
5:03 pm rliberni: RT @hadleyjf: @rliberni I am not sure that "imposed" reform ever works! We close our doors and do what we want. #edchat
5:03 pm evmaiden: RT @ShellTerrell: Why does it have to fall on the teachers? Isn't edu reform more powerful if all stakeholders are involved? #edchat
5:03 pm sudam09: Education shld B controlled by educators n it shld B kept away from politics. Administrative interference shld B minimised. #edchat
5:03 pm olafelch: @rliberni As politicians say, "opposition sucks!" You have to be in the discussion to win it. #edchat
5:03 pm akamrt: #edchat Is the role of the teacher to further ed reform or to be the instigator of reform?
5:03 pm MrR0g3rs: #edchat it seems that teachers are more powerless than ever in these economic times, many admins just don't want to hear about reform
5:03 pm esolcourses: RT @rliberni Is reform from within preferable to that imposed? What about its validity? #edchat ] personally, I'd be inclined to say yes
5:03 pm jpsteltz: how do we get 'experienced teachers' to desire reform that might make them change? #edchat
5:03 pm vanessacassie: My next hour of tweets will be devoted to #edchat! Come join in the conversation #edchat
5:04 pm lblanken: as a parent, I'd love to work with teachers on education reform #edchat
5:04 pm ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: RT @allofek12: reform is a natural process of improvement & evolution, all educators should contrib. #edchat
5:04 pm JasonFlom: As a populous & as admin, we need 2 provide safe (supportive) environment for teachers 2 sound out w/out feeling job is in jeopardy. #edchat
5:04 pm hadleyjf: @TomWhitby Where are you? #edchat
5:04 pm rliberni: RT @jpsteltz: how do we get 'experienced teachers' to desire reform that might make them change? #edchat
5:04 pm sudam09: Educators know what is good for education more than a minister or legislator and the reform should start from them. #edchat
5:04 pm vanessacassie: @jpsteltz I don't always think it's the 'experienced' teachers that are the most resistant to change.. #edchat
5:04 pm MrR0g3rs: @ShellTerrell its not that they have to be involved, just not excluded #edchat
5:04 pm JasonFlom: In effect, we must be advocates for teacher advocacy. #edchat
5:04 pm evmaiden: #edchat @sudam09 agreed we shouldn't look to govt to drive the reform
5:04 pm hadleyjf: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: RT @allofek12: reform is a natural process of improvement & evolution, all educators should contrib. #edchat
5:04 pm ShellTerrell: @DeronDurflinger Your school innovative! True game changers in Edu. Anyway I can help let me know #vanmeter #edchat
5:05 pm hadleyjf: I agree RT @vanessacassie: @jpsteltz I dont always think its the experienced teachers that are the most resistant to change.. #edchat
5:05 pm openstudy: @rliberni is education reform a systematic change and does it require more money? #edchat
5:05 pm rliberni: RT @evmaiden:@sudam09 agreed we shouldn't look to govt to drive the reform, Can this be avoided? #edchat
5:05 pm MrR0g3rs: RT @vanessacassie: @jpsteltz I don't always think it's the 'experienced' teachers that are the most resistant to change.. #edchat
5:05 pm hadleyjf: How do we create a safe and creative environment for students and teachers? #edchat
5:05 pm ShellTerrell: RT @JasonFlom: we need 2 provide safe (supportive) environmt 4 tchrs 2 sound out w/out feeling job is in jeopardy #edchat
5:05 pm JasonFlom: good question. both, perhaps? RT @akamrt: #edchat Is the role of the teacher to further ed reform or to be the instigator of reform?
5:05 pm jpsteltz: met some students in the hall earlier on a field trip...to our in-house museum...the writing lab #edchat
5:05 pm ShellTerrell: RT @MrR0g3rs: its not that they have to be involved, just not excluded #edchat
5:05 pm mctreehugger: Teacher leaders must sow the seeds of reform from the inside. #edchat
5:05 pm esolcourses: #edchat IMO, reform often tends to be imposed by people who don't consult teachers and who fail to appreciate the practical implications...
5:05 pm vanessacassie: I think in order to 'reform' ed, we need to identify what's broken, then work on how to fix it #edchat
5:05 pm jeanbont: @ShellTerrell Yes, they can do so by example, by showing what works in the classroom, especially with web2.0 technology #edchat
5:05 pm rliberni: RT @openstudy: @rliberni is education reform a systematic change and does it require more money? #edchat
5:05 pm ShellTerrell: RT @vanessacassie: @jpsteltz I don't always think it's the 'experienced' teachers that are the most resistant to change.. #edchat
5:06 pm 1ernesto1: RT @JasonFlom: As a populous & as admin,we need2provide safe environment for teachers 2 sound out w/out feeling job is in jeopardy. #edchat
5:06 pm olafelch: @sudam09 just because ministers aren't educators, doesn't mean they can't have good ideas. #edchat
5:06 pm msmithpds: if we want to push educ reform we need to get admin to back it #edchat
5:06 pm ShellTerrell: RT @jeanbont: Yes, they can do so by example, by showing what works in the classroom, especially with web2.0 technology #edchat
5:06 pm acmcdonaldgp: Agreed. Tough to lead reform when your job is on the line RT @MrR0g3rs: #edchat many admins just don't want to hear about reform
5:06 pm evmaiden: ecchat @rliberni Can this be avoided? stakeholders yes but they shouldn't be driving the bus #edchat
5:06 pm JasonFlom: @MrR0g3rs Good point. Reform often just means "More to do" for tchrs and admin. #edchat
5:06 pm ShellTerrell: RT @evmaiden: #edchat @sudam09 agreed we shouldn't look to govt to drive the reform
5:06 pm cybraryman1: To buy into reform educators have to a big part of the process #edchat
5:06 pm rliberni: @openstudy most things require more money as gvts throw committees etc at it #edchat
5:06 pm vanessacassie: I feel that sometimes change is pushed simply to promote change, without a lot of forethought and identifying the problems #edchat
5:06 pm hadleyjf: Look to admin. to provide time - such a precious commodity - to learn and grow, share with other ts. #edchat
5:06 pm akamrt: #edchat Should teachers support top down initiated reform that they know is not sound?
5:06 pm msmithpds: and give tchrs commen planning time & opp to use Web 2.0 tools #edchat
5:06 pm StarrMatica: RT @esolcourses: #edchat IMO, reform often tends to be imposed by people who don't consult teachers and who fail to appreciate the practical implications...
5:06 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @sudam09 yes they can, just because ministers aren't educators, doesn't mean they can't have good ideas. #edchat
5:06 pm olafelch: RT @cybraryman1: To buy into reform educators have to a big part of the process #edchat
5:06 pm ShellTerrell: RT @sudam09: Educators know what is good for education more than a minister or legislator and the reform should start from them. #edchat
5:07 pm infodivabronx: Oh! There's #edchat going on!
5:07 pm 1ernesto1: RT @VanessaCassie: I think in order to 'reform' ed, we need to identify what's broken, then work on how to fix it #edchat
5:07 pm rliberni: Are educators sometimes too close? Can they see the wood for the trees? #edchat
5:07 pm rliberni: RT @evmaiden: ecchat @rliberni Can this be avoided? stakeholders yes but they shouldn't be driving the bus #edchat
5:07 pm jgmac1106: Central to reform issue is also Federalist debate. Is education a state or national issue. Purse strings pull politicians/policies #edchat
5:07 pm rliberni: RT @1ernesto1: RT @VanessaCassie: I think in order to 'reform' ed, we need to identify what's broken, then work on how to fix it #edchat
5:07 pm msmithpds: @alicebarr presented at #educon how her school utilized Google Apps giving tchrs authenic experiences w/ web tools #edchat
5:07 pm vanessacassie: @StarrMatica I completely agree! Too much 'floofy' talking and not enough practical, realistic application! #edchat
5:07 pm fredsheahan: Teachers have a necessary voice in reform; cultural change will require community action. #edchat
5:07 pm hadleyjf: How to recover from missing #educon... #edchat
5:07 pm ShellTerrell: @sudam09 I have to say I agree completely! Unfortunately edu will not ever be taken away from politics #edchat
5:07 pm ShellTerrell: RT @1ernesto1: RT @VanessaCassie: I think in order to 'reform' ed, we need to identify what's broken, then work on how to fix it #edchat
5:08 pm openstudy: @ShellTerrell education reform is happening. Technology + 2 more billions dollars for this year's budget is a GREAT start. #edchat
5:08 pm jpsteltz: @vanessacassie young teachers can ignite a staff w/new tech&new ideas.i am in the middle, not young, not old.i want to keep learning #edchat
5:08 pm rliberni: Too many cooks and you might get a dog's breakfast! #edchat
5:08 pm hadleyjf: RT @rliberni: Are educators sometimes too close? Can they see the wood for the trees? #edchat
5:08 pm sudam09: Educators shld collaborate among themselves 2 agree on a particular reform & platform shld B provided 4 them by the administration. #edchat
5:08 pm boundstaffpress: For the next hour my tweet will be dedicated to #edchat Come join me.
5:08 pm JasonFlom: @sudam09 Or include them, at a minimum. But you're right in that tchrs hold the most iinstitutional/experiential knowledge/wisdom #edchat
5:08 pm DeronDurflinger: @ShellTerrell Thanks #vanmeter #edchat
5:08 pm olafelch: @rliberni Sometimes a bit of distance helps. #edchat
5:08 pm rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: @sudam09 I have to say I agree completely! Unfortunately edu will not ever be taken away from politics #edchat
5:08 pm msmithpds: i don't think edu is broken, it is one job that is always evolving to suit the child's need #edchat
5:08 pm ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: Too many cooks and you might get a dog's breakfast! #edchat
5:08 pm vanessacassie: @jpsteltz I agree that young teachers are often enthusiastic, but I find they're often trying to just keep their head above water #edchat
5:08 pm evmaiden: RT @cybraryman1: To buy into reform educators have to a big part of the process #edchat
5:08 pm ShellTerrell: RT @openstudy: edu reform is happening. Technology + 2 more billions dollars for this year's budget is a GREAT start. #edchat
5:09 pm akamrt: @geobart This is true. Wouldn't reform be more powerful if driven by tchrs & supported by admin instead of the other way? #edchat
5:09 pm hadleyjf: We need to do more than identify the problem. We need to identify the goal! What do we want for students #edchat
5:09 pm rliberni: The role of education as a political football will always mitigate against true reform #edchat
5:09 pm jpsteltz: agreed RT @mctreehugger: Teacher leaders must sow the seeds of reform from the inside. #edchat
5:09 pm acmcdonaldgp: I think reform should involve parents working with schools and legislators too! We should attend to our clients needs too. #edchat
5:09 pm vanessacassie: @jpsteltz That survival mode often means there's no time to contribute to 'new' initiatives and new thoughts... #edchat
5:09 pm msmithpds: True true!!: RT @cybraryman1: To buy into reform educators have to a big part of the process #edchat
5:09 pm ShellTerrell: RT @fredsheahan: Teachers have a necessary voice in reform; cultural change will require community action. #edchat
5:09 pm StarrMatica: @VanessaCassie Do others feel like administrators are too far removed from the day to day classroom? (Not all of course, but many?) #edchat
5:09 pm Oh_the_Places: #edchat - missed the info this morning. What's the topic?
5:09 pm jgmac1106: leaving jdging tchrs by test scores aside...I am glad RTTP money becomes part of competitive grant vs throwing money at bad #edchat
5:09 pm TallGamer: @jgmac1106 I think education is a National issue and that's part of the isssue we need more actuaon from up top #edchat
5:09 pm allofek12: RT @ShellTerrell RT @openstudy: edu reform is happening. Technology + $ 2 billion for this year's budget is a GREAT start. #edchat
5:09 pm jeanbont: #edchat A lot of reform can happen at the school level from teachers willing to spearhead new ideas and help inservice staff.
5:09 pm ShellTerrell: RT @tomfullerton: @ShellTerrell distributed leadership - cooperative approach to PD - teacher inquiry not top-down #edchat
5:09 pm JasonFlom: @MrR0g3rs @VanessaCassie @jpsteltz Depends on the change and where it originated. #edchat
5:10 pm SErwin: @ShellTerrell agree! All stakeholders (teacher, student, parent, admin, community) should all be involved in process. #edchat
5:10 pm olafelch: Before you get obsessed with reforming something, you need very clear ideas what you want to achieve! #edchat
5:10 pm vanessacassie: @StarrMatica Some school divisions have 'rotating' admin positions to counteract that issue -- 4 years as admin, back to teaching #edchat
5:10 pm msmithpds: thankfully many Web 2.0 tools are free - leave the real $$ to buy the tools (computers, mobile devices) #edchat
5:10 pm rliberni: RT @jpsteltz: agreed RT @mctreehugger: Teacher leaders must sow the seeds of reform from the inside. yes but this isn't easy #edchat
5:10 pm rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @tomfullerton: @ShellTerrell distributed leadership - cooperative approach to PD - teacher inquiry not top-down #edchat
5:10 pm jgmac1106: RT @rliberni: Too many cooks and you might get a dog's breakfast! #edchat
5:10 pm cybraryman1: Teachers should lead but please do not leave out students and parents in terms of education reform. #edchat
5:10 pm sudam09: @rliberni Of course they can but their vote politics generally make them myopic and they need to be reminded by people concerned. #edchat
5:10 pm m_yam: RT @olafelch: Before you get obsessed with reforming something, you need very clear ideas what you want to achieve! #edchat
5:10 pm vanessacassie: Is the main issue with ed reform that no one can agree on what the reform should be? #edchat
5:10 pm esolcourses: RT @akamrt: @geobart Wouldn't reform be more powerful if driven by tchrs & supported by admin instead of the other way? #edchat
5:10 pm swalker2: Reform comes frm ppl far removed from frnt lines of teaching - those ppl need 2 ask those on the frnt lines wht does & does not work #edchat
5:10 pm Litland: @hadleyjf That seems to have been an elusive question now for a couple of decades, hasn't it? #edchat
5:10 pm akamrt: RT @rliberni: The role of edu as a political football will always mitigate against true reform #edchat <True.
5:10 pm boundstaffpress: The best way to start reform is in my classroom. I will change to better serve my students. #edchat
5:10 pm ShellTerrell: RT @JasonFlom: good ?. both, perhaps? RT @akamrt: #edchat Is the role of the tchr to further ed reform or to be the instigator of reform?
5:10 pm openstudy: Before you get obsessed with reforming something, you need very clear ideas what you want to achieve! #edchat (via @olafelch)
5:11 pm msmithpds: @olafelch my idea of education reform is to change the type of learning environment kids are experiencing #edchat
5:11 pm ShellTerrell: RT @SErwin: @ShellTerrell agree! All stakeholders (teacher, student, parent, admin, community) should all be involved in process. #edchat
5:11 pm acmcdonaldgp: One thing re: education is that the expectations of the system change w/time. This causes confusion. Need to identify our goals. #edchat
5:11 pm juleach: @jeanbont I completely agree... gotta be a grass roots effort!! #edchat
5:11 pm Litland: @hadleyjf seems we focus on school environment which treats the symptoms of the problem. #edchat
5:11 pm rliberni: @olafelch as in politicians? I'm afraid that a lot of their input ends up being point scoring #edchat
5:11 pm hadleyjf: @Litland Elusive and ever-changing, it seems #edchat
5:11 pm olafelch: @cybraryman1 Stakeholders must be involved, but not all have the skills to offer something useful. #edchat
5:11 pm JasonFlom: Good point! RT @cybraryman1: Teachers should lead but please do not leave out students and parents in terms of education reform. #edchat
5:11 pm jeanbont: They do ask frontline workers. However they ask others too and mix ideas, sometimes with non-ideal results. #edchat
5:11 pm ShellTerrell: RT @geobart: Fully agreed. Of course, you can't expect everyone to be a visualization or interactivity expert though. #edchat
5:11 pm m_yam: RT @esolcourses: RT @akamrt: @geobart Wouldn't reform be more powerful if driven by tchrs & supported by admin instead of the other way? #edchat
5:11 pm msmithpds: @esolcourses if the teachers do it on their own - the kids would love & praise teacher - bring tchr's skills to admins view #edchat
5:11 pm jpsteltz: reform is often talked about as important, but never seems to actually occur...why?? #edchat
5:11 pm rliberni: RT @Litland: @hadleyjf seems we focus on school environment which treats the symptoms of the problem. #edchat
5:11 pm Litland: @hadleyjf Lack of creativity and safety being symptoms of one problem; concern for job security perhaps symptom of leadership prob #edchat
5:11 pm swalker2: Too often teachers involved in reform appear to be looking out for themselves - this has to change #edchat
5:12 pm rliberni: RT @jeanbont: They do ask frontline workers. However they ask others too and mix ideas, sometimes with non-ideal results. #edchat
5:12 pm MrR0g3rs: @swalker2 or, teachers need 2 get on the front lines themselves. starting 2 believe that 1 of us is going 2 have 2 run 4 office #edchat
5:12 pm msmithpds: @cybraryman1 just following what my boys want of their classrooms! #edchat
5:12 pm jgmac1106: @jeanbont #edchat agrree. but too often these tchrs get used up. need salary model recognizing commtment and xtra work not just yrs on job
5:12 pm teachingwthsoul: The road maps are there. Laid out for us by some amazing educators/authors/researchers. Getting Top Admin to support, was my battle!#edchat
5:12 pm vanessacassie: RT @acmcdonaldgp One thing re:ed is the expectations of the system change w/time. This causes confusion. Need to identify goals. #edchat
5:12 pm boundstaffpress: @geobart Wouldn't reform be more powerful if driven by tchrs & supported by admin instead of the other way? #edchat
5:12 pm rliberni: RT @jpsteltz: reform is often talked about as important, but never seems to actually occur...why?? too true #edchat
5:12 pm m_yam: RT @Litland: @hadleyjf Lack of creativity and safety being symptoms of one problem; concern for job security perhaps symptom of leadership prob #edchat
5:12 pm boundstaffpress: RT @vanessacassie: Is the main issue with ed reform that no one can agree on what the reform should be? #edchat
5:12 pm sudam09: @JasonFlom yes that is a good course. Include them in the process of reform but majority of educators should be there. #edchat
5:12 pm olafelch: @m_yam It might be a more powerful reform process, but where do you get the time to do it? #edchat
5:12 pm Litland: @hadleyjf The connection between all: lack of character development in students, incl those who later become our teachers,principals #edchat
5:12 pm JasonFlom: RT @jeanbont: @ShellTerrell Yes, they can do so by example, by showing what works in classroom, especially with web2.0 technology #edchat
5:12 pm AngelaMaiers: RT @JasonFlom: In effect, we must be advocates for teacher advocacy. #edchat
5:13 pm akamrt: #edchat Who is in the position to assess need for reform, design reform, & implement reform. Shouldn't admin take direction fromtchrs?
5:13 pm olafelch: RT @msmithpds: @olafelch my idea of education reform is to change the type of learning environment kids are experiencing #edchat Excellent!
5:13 pm teachingwthsoul: I SO agree!!!RT @msmithpds: i don't think edu is broken, it is one job that is always evolving to suit the child's need #edchat
5:13 pm msmithpds: it's neat how tchrs & talking so much on philosophy w/ conversations hosted through these events - very inspiring 4 me #edchat
5:13 pm hadleyjf: RT @AngelaMaiers: RT @JasonFlom: In effect, we must be advocates for teacher advocacy. #edchat
5:13 pm elanaleoni: @JasonFlom A safe environment is very important. On top of that, we also need to give them hope that their sugg may make a diff. #edchat
5:13 pm akamrt: #edchat Don't teachers have a moral obligation to instigate reform?
5:13 pm MrR0g3rs: @rliberni its because the system is set up to protect the wrong people & policies #edchat
5:13 pm SErwin: I think we often overlook the working world. What skills do they want their employees to have coming out of school? #edchat
5:13 pm boundstaffpress: We've seen reform in the accountability of teachers. I'm ready to see a reform in the accountability of students. #edchat
5:14 pm bealup: @hadleyjf Agree with you (though I don't know what came before -just logged in) #edchat
5:14 pm Litland: #edchat For those using the #39clues series in class, #book7 released to buy http://litland.parentsduty.com/Buy-Books.php
5:14 pm ShellTerrell: What are the greatest barriers to edu reform? Is it really that tchrs are apathetic or they have no support? #edchat
5:14 pm vanessacassie: @msmithpds I agree -- it's nice to express your views and have them challenged in order to refine your opinions sometimes! #edchat
5:14 pm allofek12: @SErwin #edchat The skills to be a lifelong learner, to be adaptable in all situations
5:14 pm olafelch: @akamrt A teacher is an SME. That doesn't necessarily make them an expert on reform. #edchat
5:14 pm openstudy: @rliberni reform ='s greater efficiency, more educated students, and better schools. The question is how? #edchat
5:14 pm acmcdonaldgp: Silly Q'n maybe but what exactly do we want to reform? Instruction? Curric? Structure? Everything? #edchat A goal might help w/focus.
5:14 pm rliberni: RT @akamrt: #edchat Don't teachers have a moral obligation to instigate reform? Yes, it's a part of education looking at innovation
5:14 pm m_yam: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @SErwin: @ShellTerrell agree! All stakeholders (teacher, student, parent, admin, community) should all be involved in process. #edchat
5:14 pm sudam09: In India many politicians are running educational institutions to further their political clout and income. #edchat
5:14 pm msmithpds: RT @akamrt: #edchat Don't teachers have a moral obligation to instigate reform? - most certainly if they do their job well
5:14 pm jpsteltz: too often forgotten in the reform debate are the logistics...class size, tech availability, cooperative willingness, etc #edchat
5:14 pm rliberni: RT @allofek12: @SErwin #edchat The skills to be a lifelong learner, to be adaptable in all situations
5:14 pm kunami10: What exactly are we trying to reform? Instructional practices, curriculum, or both? #edchat
5:14 pm ShellTerrell: RT @kunami10: What exactly are we trying to reform? Instructional practices, curriculum, or both? #edchat
5:14 pm MrR0g3rs: @akamrt i agree. but currently admins are too distracted with the policy to try to change the policy #edchat
5:14 pm rliberni: #edchat
5:14 pm cybraryman1: RT @SErwin: I think we often overlook the working world. What skills do they want their employees to have coming out of school? #edchat
5:14 pm 808lika: RT @ShellTerrell: Do we believe all educators should further educational reform? Why? #edchat
5:15 pm olafelch: RT @rliberni: @olafelch as in politicians? I'm afraid that a lot of their input ends up being point scoring #edchat Agreed.
5:15 pm m_yam: RT @boundstaffpress: The best way to start reform is in my classroom. I will change to better serve my students. #edchat
5:15 pm hadleyjf: Is there a way to revive the love of learning and teaching, of being with kids in teachers and admins? That would reform schs. #edchat
5:15 pm JoshAdamsMath: RT @jpsteltz: tech in classroom..ugh...how to get experienced teachers on board? http://bit.ly/9duhwI #authors #blog #education #edtech #edchat #Teacher
5:15 pm acmcdonaldgp: Or no focus/direction? RT @ShellTerrell: What are the greatest barriers to edu reform? Is it tchrs are apathetic/have no support? #edchat
5:15 pm franze98: @ShellTerrell dont forget about the almight $ #edchat
5:15 pm rliberni: @ShellTerrell for some teachers it's a jobsworth #edchat
5:15 pm vanessacassie: I think ed reform at primary and secondary levels has limits based on post-secondary institution structure #edchat
5:15 pm boundstaffpress: RT @swalker2 teachers need 2 get on the front lines themselves. starting 2 believe that 1 of us is going 2 have 2 run 4 office #edchat
5:15 pm ShellTerrell: With the wide achievement gap & my experience in working w/ at risk students does show the system broken for many #edchat
5:16 pm StarrMatica: Difficulty with admin showing increased test scores. All learning is not measured by a test, but decisions are made on this basis. #edchat
5:16 pm JasonFlom: @elanaleoni No doubt. Reform is born of hope 4 something better. Tchr's embued w/ mountains of hope - for students & future, I think #edchat
5:16 pm MrR0g3rs: @ShellTerrell it is the layers of the system that r built to protect the wrong people. tenure, unions, high stakes assessment #edchat
5:16 pm infodivabronx: RT @ShellTerrell: What are the greatest barriers to edu reform?Is it really that tchrs are apathetic or they have no support? #edchat <both
5:16 pm vanessacassie: Tech is a great tool to help with ed reform...have to educate tchrs and admin that it only enhances practice, not fix it #edchat
5:16 pm rliberni: RT @MrR0g3rs: @rliberni its because the system is set up to protect the wrong people & policies #edchat
5:16 pm teachingwthsoul: @vanessacassie I always worked to provide a new teacher boot camp at my school. This is critical. DuFour/Eaker Chapt 8-9 #edchat
5:16 pm jgmac1106: I also find reform tough in school when the shelf life of principals and superintendents is shorter than the mangoes I just bought #edchat
5:16 pm jennar: really exciting conversation and real examples of how Educators are working to further educational reform. Follow #edchat
5:16 pm olafelch: @jgmac1106 Assessing reform can take time, and isn't always easy to see from the classroom. #edchat
5:16 pm rliberni: RT @openstudy: @rliberni reform ='s greater efficiency, more educated students, and better schools. The question is how? #edchat
5:16 pm sudam09: In India Unlettered people are coming to the legislature and unfortunately they head ministries. This is not good for education. #edchat
5:16 pm akamrt: @MrR0g3rs #edchat It is interesting that TX & AK have both resisted the psuedo-reform of RttT. Tchrs should lrn to write reform policy.
5:16 pm tomwhitby: @hadleyjf Sitting in my den in Sayville NY #edchat
5:16 pm ShellTerrell: Most of the poorest students have no access to equal education opportunities so for them poverty cycle continues #edchat
5:16 pm vanessacassie: @StarrMatica True w/regards to tests, but small minority of students go on to ed/work that requires high stakes test taking #edchat
5:17 pm swalker2: We're snding mixed signals - tchrs 2 b eval on test scores (competition) yet they wnt techrs 2 collaborate 4 gr8er gd of the skool #edchat
5:17 pm openstudy: @ShellTerrell understanding educational reform: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20487.html #edchat
5:17 pm vanessacassie: @teachingwthsoul That's a great idea! We need more support like that. #edchat
5:17 pm bealup: Aha...so this is the other #edchat time! I usually participate in the later one! Will move on to Tweetchat
5:17 pm rliberni: @openstudy money spent in the right way for the right reasons with the right input is how - eutopia? #edchat
5:17 pm ShellTerrell: RT @MrR0g3rs: it is the layers of the system that r built to protect the wrong people. tenure, unions, high stakes assessment #edchat
5:17 pm esolcourses: @msmithpds agree up to a point, though IME government directives/cost considerations seem to carry more weight than other factors #edchat
5:17 pm akamrt: @olafelch #edchat SME?
5:17 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @jgmac1106 Assessing reform can take time, and isn't always easy to see from the classroom. #edchat
5:17 pm jeanbont: teacher collaboration should be a big part of reform. #edchat
5:17 pm JasonFlom: @franze98 You make a good point. How can tchrs find their way to table w/out the funds to push change and scare policy makers. #edchat
5:17 pm acmcdonaldgp: I don't think tchrs moral obligation is to reform. I think it is to continually improve. Our job in classes is to focus on instr'n #edchat
5:17 pm olafelch: RT @ShellTerrell: Most of the poorest students have no access to equal education opportunities so for them poverty cycle continues #edchat
5:17 pm ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: for some teachers it's a jobsworth #edchat
5:17 pm jennar: RT @ShellTerrell: Why does it have to fall on the teachers? Isn't edu reform more powerful if all stakeholders are involved? #edchat
5:17 pm TEFL: RT @ShellTerrell: Most of the poorest students have no access to equal education opportunities so for them poverty cycle continues #edchat
5:17 pm rliberni: RT @jennar: really exciting conversation and real examples of how Educators are working to further educational reform. Follow #edchat
5:17 pm sudam09: Administration shuould facilitate rather than regulate as far as education is concerned. #edchat
5:18 pm hadleyjf: @tomwhitby Was just looking for your thoughts #edchat
5:18 pm TallGamer: What type of reform or we talking about here? Tech in the class teaching methods are the kit and kaboodle? #edchat
5:18 pm 1ernesto1: Maybe if we teach or show Edu2.0 to Parents, they wont buy any Edu1.0 from Schools1.0, then the schools admin would change... #edchat
5:18 pm olafelch: @akamrt SME= Subject Matter Expert #edchat
5:18 pm vanessacassie: RT @swalker2 We're snding mixed signals-tchrs 2 b eval on tst scors (competition) yet they wnt tchrs 2 collaborate 4 gd of the skool #edchat
5:18 pm ShellTerrell: RT @openstudy: @ShellTerrell understanding educational reform: http://bit.ly/d83ARC #edchat
5:18 pm akamrt: @olafelch #edchat I disagree. Tchrs are and should be experts in the identification of, development of, and implementation of change.
5:18 pm rliberni: RT @jeanbont: teacher collaboration should be a big part of reform. #edchat
5:18 pm jpsteltz: ed reform also depends upon the demographics of the school district...right? #edchat
5:18 pm openstudy: Love your answer Berni! RT @rliberni money spent in the right way for the right reasons with the right input is how - eutopia? #edchat
5:19 pm ShellTerrell: RT @1ernesto1: Maybe if we teach or show Edu2.0 to Parents, they wont buy any Edu1.0 fr Schools then admin would change... #edchat
5:19 pm vanessacassie: @bealup Welcome! Sometimes the mid-day chats are easier to mentally contribute to than the later one...lol #edchat
5:19 pm Parentella: Looking forward to a great #edchat today! -Amanda
5:19 pm akamrt: @acmcdonaldgp #edchat Isn't a tchrs role in the classroom to focus on learning?
5:19 pm Parentella: @jennar Yes it is more powerful if all parties are involved. Together we must bring edu into the new era. #Edchat
5:19 pm teachingwthsoul: @ShellTerrell Big stuff happening at Claremont GU in Cali. Breaking the Cycle of Poverty. Teacher Ed there is focused on this piece. #edchat
5:19 pm sudam09: RT @TEFL: @ShellTerrell: poorest students have no access 2 equal education opportunities so 4 them poverty cycle continues #edchat agree
5:19 pm olafelch: @akamrt Maybe they should be. But most of them aren't. #edchat
5:19 pm jgmac1106: @olafelch No progress insteasy 2 to see but reform on any level should be measured even if its tchrs reflecting on their practice. #edchat
5:19 pm StarrMatica: RT@vanessacassie:Minority of students go to ed/work that requires high stakes test True Test focus creates stumbling block to reform.#edchat
5:19 pm vanessacassie: Does reform need to be a 'one-size-fits-all' solution, or on a case-by-case need? Some tchrs are doing excellent work all the time #edchat
5:19 pm TallGamer: Is there a national venue for educators to mobilize and take action?Something like #edchat but with no technical barrier to reach more tchrs
5:20 pm elanaleoni: @acmcdonaldgp Parents should definitely be a part of edu reform. I just haven't seen many do so. Any examples out there? #edchat
5:20 pm rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @openstudy: @ShellTerrell understanding educational reform: http://bit.ly/d83ARC #edchat
5:20 pm Parentella: @1ernesto1 You got it right. Parents are the beginning of the cycle. They choose the board members as well as admins. #EDCHAT
5:20 pm rliberni: RT @jpsteltz: ed reform also depends upon the demographics of the school district...right? expand? #edchat
5:20 pm rliberni: RT @Parentella: @jennar Yes it is more powerful if all parties are involved. Together we must bring edu into the new era. #Edchat #edchat
5:20 pm ShellTerrell: RT @elanaleoni: @acmcdonaldgp Parents should definitely be a part of edu reform. I just haven't seen many do so. Any examples? #edchat
5:20 pm vanessacassie: @jpsteltz Demographics have the biggest role with regards to parent support #edchat
5:20 pm akamrt: @olafelch #edchat Which begs the question, "Where is the gap originating from?" My posit = lack of teacher autonomy to be change agents.
5:20 pm m_yam: @olafelch Yes, finding the time IS a problem. #edchat
5:20 pm fredsheahan: There are different ways to contribute to educational reform; Edu needs community organizer leadership. #edchat
5:21 pm franze98: @JasonFlom yeah the biggest change happening in IL schools is downsizing due to lack of state payments #Edchat
5:21 pm olafelch: @Parentella Not in most parts of the world. #edchat
5:21 pm jgmac1106: Barak Obama: "I am a firm believer most important thing you learn in school is learning 2 learn." Need reform to reach this goal #edchat
5:21 pm acmcdonaldgp: @elanaleoni I've seen change happen on a micro level when a group of parents gets focused....need it to happen on larger scale #edchat
5:21 pm MrR0g3rs: @akamrt yes. a teachers job is 2 important to seriously pursue policy change, yet they have 2 deal w/ consequenses #edchat
5:21 pm ShellTerrell: RT @sudam09: In India there is clear education division and richer get good education while poor people suffer. #edchat
5:21 pm ShellTerrell: RT @vanessacassie: @jpsteltz Demographics have the biggest role with regards to parent support #edchat
5:21 pm vanessacassie: How do we measure educational success? IMO, teachers with all different teaching/assess styles can be 'good' for students #edchat
5:21 pm openstudy: RT @rliberni RT @ShellTerrell: RT @openstudy: understanding educational reform: http://bit.ly/d83ARC #edchat
5:21 pm JaneBalvanz: Barriers to education reform: the Big Picture including the politics of it. Who decides what needs to be reformed and why? #edchat
5:21 pm teachingwthsoul: @akamrt No...read the research. So much out there on this topic . Must be a collaboration! #edchat
5:22 pm Parentella: @olafelch You are right but they are a very powerful party nonetheless. #Edchat
5:22 pm akamrt: @MrR0g3rs #edchat Right. If change occurred in fiscal thinking, for instance repurposing money used to sustain the status quo into change.
5:22 pm acmcdonaldgp: @JasonFlom I agree. Teachers can help lead reform. Teachers are the primary conduit to parents. We need that connection. #edchat
5:22 pm ShellTerrell: RT @akamrt: @olafelch #edchat Which begs the ?, "Where is the gap originating fr?" My posit = lack of teacher autonomy to be change agents.
5:22 pm sudam09: @TallGamer Now w/ internet n social media have provided a virtual platform & #edchat is but such a platform. Things R changing. #edchat
5:22 pm juleach: @rliberni Actually, I think ed reform depends on the beliefs of the teachers in the school district. #edchat
5:22 pm rliberni: as a parent I feel often that I am superfluous in school #edchat
5:22 pm jgmac1106: @openstudy believe the most critical element to all reform begins with high quality creative teaching. Everything..secondary at best #edchat
5:22 pm ShellTerrell: RT @fredsheahan: There are different ways to contribute to educational reform; Edu needs community organizer leadership. #edchat
5:22 pm swalker2: @JasonFlom I agree refoprm should grow from the bottom up - not come from the top down - 2 many decisions r made that way #edchat
5:22 pm jgmac1106: RT @acmcdonaldgp: Silly Q'n maybe but what exactly do we want to reform? Instruction? Curric? Structure? Everything? #edchat A goal might help w/focus.
5:22 pm vanessacassie: @JaneBalvanz Ahh the Big Picture issue-necessary, but as a former colleague of mine said, it's not where the "rubber meets the road" #edchat
5:22 pm hadleyjf: RT @jgmac1106: Barak Obama: "I am a firm believer most important thing you learn in school is learning 2 learn." Reform 4 this goal #edchat
5:23 pm JaneBalvanz: RT @jgmac1106: Barak Obama: "I am a firm believer most important thing you learn in school is learning 2 learn." Need reform to reach this goal #edchat
5:23 pm olafelch: @ShellTerrell It's not terribly different in Germany. Gymnasium, Realschule, hauptschule - just a class system. #edchat
5:23 pm ShellTerrell: I agree that edu reform involves collaboration of all stakeholders. So how do we begin this collaboration? #edchat
5:23 pm Parentella: @vanessacassie Ideally it would be on a case-by-case need, allowing excellent teachers 2 keep doing what they're doing. #edchat -AH
5:23 pm MrR0g3rs: @akamrt but i think that 2 many policy makers have a stake in the stus quo #edchat
5:23 pm m_yam: @olafelch As someone said, I'd start from my classroom. #edchat
5:23 pm openstudy: @jgmac1106 so true... #edchat
5:23 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @ShellTerrell It's not terribly different in Germany. Gymnasium, Realschule, hauptschule - just a class system. #edchat
5:23 pm sudam09: RT @swalker2: @JasonFlom I agree refoprm should grow from the bottom up - not come from the top down - 2 many decisions r made that way #edchat
5:23 pm esolcourses: @TEFL @ShellTerrell asylum seekers & refugees hit particularly hard, with UK ESOL funding cuts driving reform in wrong direction #edchat
5:23 pm ckshih: RT @jgmac1106: Barak Obama: "I am a firm believer most important thing you learn in school is learning 2 learn." Need reform to reach this goal #edchat
5:24 pm jgmac1106: @sudam09 Same thing happens in America except its not in open. Test makers & publishers serve stockholders, contribute 2 elections #edchat
5:24 pm sudam09: RT @hadleyjf: RT @jgmac1106: Barak Obama: "I am a firm believer most important thing you learn in school is learning 2 learn." Reform 4 this goal #edchat
5:24 pm Parentella: RT @JaneBalvanz: Barriers to education reform: the Big Picture including the politics of it. Who decides what needs to be reformed and why? #edchat
5:24 pm hadleyjf: Classroom and faculty rm. RT @m_yam: @olafelch As someone said, Id start from my classroom. #edchat
5:24 pm vanessacassie: @Parentella I feel the same way! Let good people do good work, and address issues with the minority that aren't #edchat
5:24 pm juleach: @rliberni No matter the demographics, if the teachers believe the kids will succeed!! #edchat
5:24 pm elanaleoni: @vanessacassie I think also w/ ed reform, it's so politically driven. It satisfies politicians' in the short term & not educators. #edchat
5:24 pm hurricanemaine: @ShellTerrell Yes. If not focusing on reform then not pushing themselves to be better. Other professions reform current practices. #edchat
5:24 pm ShellTerrell: Many are asking to focus our goals. What should we reform? Where do we start? #edchat
5:24 pm jpsteltz: demo...social class (blue collar/white collar), $, motivation2change, motiv2utilize reform2help r stdts b success outside small comm #edchat
5:24 pm hurricanemaine: RT @ShellTerrell: Do we believe all educators should further educational reform? Why? #edchat
5:24 pm akamrt: @teachingwthsoul #edchat I was suggesting collaboration - but in a diff flow. Begins w/ tchrs given autonomy by admins who supp innovation.
5:24 pm rliberni: @juleach we have school autonomy in theory but in practice there's little room for manoevre #edchat
5:24 pm openstudy: RT @jgmac1106 @openstudy the most critical element to reform begins w/ high quality creative teaching. Everything, secondary at best #edchat
5:25 pm ShellTerrell: RT @jgmac1106: Barak Obama: "I am a firm believer most important thing you learn in school is learning 2 learn." Reform 4 this goal #edchat
5:25 pm analomba: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @vanessacassie: @jpsteltz Demographics and parents... [you mean involvement, not support!] #edchat
5:25 pm olafelch: @ShellTerrell Autonomy is great if you are a good teacher - v. bad for the kids if you aren't! #edchat
5:25 pm rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: Many are asking to focus our goals. What should we reform? Where do we start? #edchat
5:25 pm jgmac1106: Taking part in #edchat supports educational reform!
5:25 pm akamrt: @MrR0g3rs #edchat To many policy makers have been too far away from the reality of school for too long.
5:25 pm jeanbont: great chat today, but have to go. Thanks all! #edchat
5:25 pm jpsteltz: my blog entry today http://bit.ly/9duhwI dealing w/ some of these topics... #edchat
5:25 pm juleach: @rliberni So true!! #edchat
5:25 pm vanessacassie: Sometimes policy change can actually cloud ppl's focus on improving tching...meetings, agendas, etc. #edchat
5:25 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @ShellTerrell Autonomy is great if you are a good teacher - v. bad for the kids if you aren't! #edchat
5:25 pm hadleyjf: RT @acmcdonaldgp: @hat exactly do we want to reform? Instruction? Curric? Structure? Everything? A goal might help w/focus. #edchat
5:25 pm bcinfrance: Oops I thought this #edchat was going to be about prior knowledge gleaned from Internet -- guess I didn't go to the right place to look!
5:26 pm m_yam: RT @rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: Many are asking to focus our goals. What should we reform? Where do we start? #edchat
5:26 pm vanessacassie: @analomba Involvement and support -- not necessarily tied to financial demographics, but societal view of tchrs and ed #edchat
5:26 pm ShellTerrell: @olafelch Great point! LOL #edchat
5:26 pm rliberni: It's about putting the children/students at the centre and going out from there #edchat
5:26 pm jpsteltz: Yes RT @analomba: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @vanessacassie: @jpsteltz Demographics and parents... [you mean involvement, not support!] #edchat
5:26 pm vanessacassie: @bcinfrance Probably going to be the topic for the later edchat if it "won" the poll #edchat
5:26 pm StarrMatica: RT @akamrt: @MrR0g3rs #edchat To many policy makers have been too far away from the reality of school for too long.
5:26 pm openstudy: @jgmac1106 This is high quality creative teaching: http://bit.ly/cUhIti @thenerdyteacher's latest blog post is fantastic #edchat
5:26 pm esolcourses: RT @olafelch @ShellTerrell Autonomy is great if you are a good teacher - v. bad for the kids if you aren't! #edchat
5:26 pm akamrt: #edchat Tchrs are required to support polkicy (good or bad) after never being invited to devl table. Don't we trust tchrs? It seems so.
5:26 pm olafelch: @m_yam I started in my own classroom - it has been a war with the authorities ever since! Not for the faint-hearted. #edchat
5:27 pm hadleyjf: RT @olafelch: @ShellTerrell Autonomy is great if you are a good teacher - v. bad for the kids if you aren't! #edchat
5:27 pm ShellTerrell: RT @allofek12: reform should base on sts needs #edchat || I agree but many tchrs still lecturing & not listening
5:27 pm jpsteltz: RT @vanessacassie: Sometimes policy change can actually cloud ppl's focus on improving tching...meetings, agendas, etc. #edchat
5:27 pm analomba: RT @hadleyjf: Classroom and faculty rm. RT @m_yam: @olafelch As someone said, Id start from my classroom. #edchat
5:27 pm Parentella: @ShellTerrell Is it beneficial 2have a "brain-trust" grp including teachers/parents/admins working on reform n ea indiv. school?-AH #edchat
5:27 pm m_yam: @ShellTerrell RT @jgmac1106: Barak Obama: "I am a firm believer most important thing you learn in school is learning 2 learn." ... #edchat
5:27 pm swalker2: We need to reform our goal of education first - agree on what that is - and then get into the details #edchat
5:27 pm pkolenick: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @fredsheahan: There are different ways to contribute to educational reform; Edu needs community organizer leadership. #edchat
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5:27 pm rliberni: RT @StarrMatica: RT @akamrt: @MrR0g3rs yes,To many policy makers have been too far away from the reality of school for too long. #edchat
5:27 pm ShellTerrell: @bcinfrance That is the 7pm EST/ 12 am GMT one #edchat
5:27 pm elanaleoni: @jeanbont Educator collaboration is key to successful edu reform #edchat
5:27 pm jgmac1106: @acmcdonaldgp Focusing on my classroom, doing whats right for my students and instrction reqs me to be involved in reform #edchat
5:28 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Parentella: Is it beneficial 2have a "brain-trust" grp including tchrs/parents/admins working on reform n ea indiv. school?-AH #edchat
5:28 pm vanessacassie: How important is it to look at requiring admin to have formal management training before implementing reform? #edchat
5:28 pm fredsheahan: Need broader collaborations between passionate stakeholders; teachers, staff, parents, admins, students & policy mkers. #edchat
5:28 pm ShellTerrell: @Parentella What a great idea! #edchat
5:28 pm Parentella: @VanessaCassie Yes, but I fear there in lies the problem. How do we chafe the minority from the majority?-AH #edchat
5:28 pm akamrt: @StarrMatica #edchat Additionally, most have never worked in the field, yet are willing to prescriptively require their idea of reform.
5:28 pm hadleyjf: I agree. Collaboration between all invested parties RT @ShellTerrell: @Parentella What a great idea! #edchat
5:28 pm Litland: @web20classroom Yes but at the root of it all don't they need to be critical thinkers? #edchat www.litland.com
5:28 pm juleach: RT @swalker2: We need to reform our goal of education first - agree on what that is - and then get into the details #edchat
5:29 pm franze98: learning to learn at school. i dont think most kids can understand the concept & get frustrated by the textbook #edchat
5:29 pm DoremiGirl: @hadleyjf: Is there a way to revive t love of lrning & tching?#edchat I love your question, but are we assuming tchrs had the love to start?
5:29 pm rliberni: @fredsheahan I think passionate is the keyword here, not what will get me elected, or what will be easiest etc.. #edchat
5:29 pm frankcrawford: @ShellTerrell Start with vision and leadership. See page 4 onwards in: http://tinyurl.com/yhg9fda. #edchat
5:29 pm rliberni: RT @juleach: RT @swalker2: We need to reform our goal of education first - agree on what that is - and then get into the details #edchat
5:29 pm ToughLoveforX: RT @DoremiGirl: @hadleyjf: Is there a way to revive t love of lrning & tching?#edchat I love your question, but are we assuming tchrs had the love to start?
5:29 pm rliberni: RT @frankcrawford: @ShellTerrell Start with vision and leadership. See page 4 onwards in: http://tinyurl.com/yhg9fda. #edchat
5:29 pm JasonFlom: True, true. RT @acmcdonaldgp: Teachers can help lead reform. Teachers are the primary conduit to parents. We need that connection. #edchat
5:29 pm bcinfrance: @VanessaCassie Thanks Vanessa, I thought it was the same topic at two different times. Prefer the other but won't stay up 'til 1am! #edchat
5:29 pm olafelch: @elanaleoni Agreed. Collaboration essential, but means convincing a hell of a lot of people 2 change the way they do things. #edchat
5:29 pm elanaleoni: @jgmac1106 Very true but in order to teach kids how to learn, we need to teach 21st cent skills. #edchat
5:29 pm Litland: @web20classroom (con't) schools now run by generation who missed out on a classics education, don't you think? #edchat
5:29 pm esolcourses: @olafelch @ShellTerrell good teachers will always find a way; downside is, bad systems can drive good teachers out of profession #edchat
5:29 pm jpsteltz: VeryRT @vanessacassie: How important is it to look at requiring admin to have formal management training before implementing reform? #edchat
5:29 pm ShellTerrell: Lots of exciting things! Let's spread this passion! Let's make #vanmeter 's energy viral #edchat
5:30 pm boundstaffpress: RT @Litland: At the root of it all don't they need to be critical thinkers? #edchat www.litland.com
5:30 pm ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: @fredsheahan I think passionate is the keyword here, not what will get me elected, or what will be easiest etc.. #edchat
5:30 pm JaneBalvanz: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @Parentella: Is it beneficial 2have a "brain-trust" grp including tchrs/parents/admins working on reform n ea indiv. school?-AH #edchat
5:30 pm hadleyjf: @DoremiGirl Ouch! I think I will try the Pollyanna response! Yes! #edchat
5:30 pm m_yam: RT @Litland: @web20classroom Yes but at the root of it all don't they need to be critical thinkers? #edchat www.litland.com
5:30 pm ShellTerrell: RT @franze98: learning to learn at school. i dont think most kids can understand the concept & get frustrated by the textbook #edchat
5:30 pm StarrMatica: @akamrt So true. Should be a requirement to spend significant time in a classroom before working on reform. #edchat
5:30 pm vanessacassie: I believe that parents should be involved, as stakeholders, but isn't the problem w/society is no trust/faith in professional tchrs? #edchat
5:30 pm rliberni: @frankcrawford I agree, passion, vision, drive to have everybody succeed should be at the heart #edchat
5:30 pm rliberni: RT @boundstaffpress: RT @Litland: At the root of it all don't they need to be critical thinkers? #edchat www.litland.com
5:30 pm ToughLoveforX: RT @Litland @web20classroom at the root don't they need to be critical thinkers? #edchat www.litland.com | R admins critical thinkers?
5:30 pm acmcdonaldgp: Central admin need it. School admin need 2 be predisposed to action to implement reform RT @vanessacassie: re: admin mgmt training #edchat
5:31 pm boundstaffpress: RT @acmcdonaldgp Focusing on my classroom, doing whats right for my students and instrction reqs me to be involved in reform #edchat
5:31 pm jgmac1106: @MicheleBlueston like education Most extinction are due to host of environmental factors. Evolution reqs dealing w/ adversity #edchat
5:31 pm m_yam: RT @jgmac1106: @acmcdonaldgp Focusing on my classroom, doing whats right for my students and instrction reqs me to be involved in reform #edchat
5:31 pm Parentella: @fredsheahan Absolutely agree. SO important to collaborate with each other to create a system that works. -AH #edchat
5:31 pm DoremiGirl: @hadleyjf I certainly hope the love is the reason people start teaching...but #edchat
5:31 pm akamrt: #edchat Military analogy. The front line knows what is needed & calls in support from rear. Tchrs know needed change call in admins who supp
5:31 pm JasonFlom: @elanaleoni I wonder though, r "21st century skills" really that different from learning how to learn--critical, creative curiosity? #edchat
5:31 pm paulbrichardson: RT @rliberni: as a parent I feel often that I am superfluous in school #edchat. [Me too]
5:31 pm ShellTerrell: If we are always disagreeing & never doing then that becomes a problem too! #edchat we eventually need to take the step
5:31 pm jgmac1106: RT @ShellTerrell: Many are asking to focus our goals. What should we reform? Where do we start? #edchat
5:31 pm StarrMatica: For policy makers, it all comes back to showing progress. Should we focus on authentic measurable assessments first to drive change? #edchat
5:31 pm fredsheahan: @rliberni exactly. Stakeholders need to feel like they're involved in the process and have something to gain. #edchat
5:31 pm rliberni: this might be contriversial but there are policy makers who are failed teachers! #edchat
5:31 pm vanessacassie: @acmcdonaldgp Re: admin training - I agree. I've seen some admin that were great tchrs, but have no business mngment experience #edchat
5:31 pm ShellTerrell: RT @esolcourses: good teachers will always find a way; downside is, bad systems can drive good teachers out of profession #edchat
5:32 pm ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: RT @frankcrawford: @ShellTerrell Start with vision and leadership. See page 4 onwards in: http://tinyurl.com/yhg9fda. #edchat
5:32 pm analomba: @VanessaCassie Demography and educational views can be another topic of discussion in the future :) #edchat
5:32 pm elanaleoni: @olafelch LOL. Very true. Imagine if all #edchat participants worked in the same school. Imagine what we could accomplish.
5:32 pm acmcdonaldgp: @DoremiGirl I think for education reform to have a chance we must make the assumption all tchrs have love of the process to start. #edchat
5:32 pm rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: If we are always disagreeing & never doing then that becomes a problem too! #edchat we eventually need to take the step
5:32 pm boundstaffpress: RT @ShellTerrell: Lots of exciting things! Let's spread this passion! Let's make #vanmeter 's energy viral #edchat
5:32 pm m_yam: RT @esolcourses: @olafelch @ShellTerrell good teachers will always find a way; downside is, bad systems can drive good teachers out of profession #edchat
5:32 pm DoremiGirl: #edchat I think all of us at #educon felt that passion & love for students, our field was why we were there.
5:32 pm olafelch: @ShellTerrell As they say at Nike, "Just do it!" #edchat
5:32 pm hadleyjf: If you had to choose one action to make your school better for the students, what would it be? Are you willing to try it? #edchat
5:32 pm ShellTerrell: RT @elanaleoni: @olafelch LOL. Very true. Imagine if all #edchat participants worked in the same school. Imagine what we could accomplish.
5:32 pm jgmac1106: @ShellTerrell I think tchrs should start at curricular level (see last weeks #edchat) transcript while building capacity and cmty of lnrs
5:32 pm vanessacassie: @analomba Lol - you're right! It's a totally separate topic/debate #edchat
5:32 pm ShellTerrell: RT @acmcdonaldgp: I think for edu reform to have a chance we must make the assumption all tchrs have love of the process to start. #edchat
5:33 pm akamrt: @StarrMatica Even easier, bring in educts to dev policy and plan change model. Would they call a brain surgeon to fix car ignition? #edchat
5:33 pm rliberni: any talk of reform has to be a two way, or many way street #edchat
5:33 pm JasonFlom: @swalker2 oops premature return pressing #edchat. . .
5:33 pm ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: this might be contriversial but there are policy makers who are failed teachers! #edchat
5:33 pm boundstaffpress: @Litland I am part of the gen. that missed classic education. I wish I could go back. So much missed. #edchat
5:33 pm jgmac1106: RT @elemveee: how do we reconcile reality of "testing culture" w/ desire 4 imaginative, purposeful teaching? #oetc10 #edchat
5:33 pm TallGamer: @sudam09 Yes but my concerns are that some teachers who are not technical enough may not be able to use #edchat or other tech platforms
5:33 pm ShellTerrell: RT @paulbrichardson: RT @rliberni: as a parent I feel often that I am superfluous in school #edchat. [Me too]
5:33 pm olafelch: @elanaleoni We would probably break the world record for the longest staff meeting! #edchat
5:33 pm elanaleoni: @ShellTerrell You start with baby steps and make sure there's open communication b/w all stakeholders. #edchat
5:33 pm vanessacassie: Long-term planning is essential, but can sometimes stall, leading to a dragged-out ed reform process that frustrates many #edchat
5:33 pm Parentella: @ShellTerrell I can honestly say I kno many ppl locally who would workhard n group like that.Everyone is invested ntheir children-AH #edchat
5:33 pm acmcdonaldgp: @vanessacassie perhaps the lack of trust in prof. teachers is because of limited meaningful collaboration betw. groups? #edchat
5:33 pm akamrt: @JasonFlom #edchat Probably not - the context and application may be sig diff though.
5:33 pm JasonFlom: @swalker2 Somehow there needs 2 be collaborative (equaliateral) triangle of reform: 1. policy makers 2. public/media 3. admin/tchrs #edchat
5:34 pm rliberni: RT @jgmac1106: RT @elemveee: how do we reconcile reality of "testing culture" w/ desire 4 imaginative, purposeful teaching? #oetc10 #edchat
5:34 pm bt_123: #edchat I think all of us at #educon felt that passion
5:34 pm sudam09: @akamrt Fiscal consideration is there of course but mechanism should be evolved for thoughtful allocation. #edchat
5:34 pm Parentella: @hadleyjf Absolutely! #edchat -AH
5:34 pm franze98: @akamrt & when support fails on their end, arnt most teachers too scared to take problem 2 next level 4 fear of job? #edchat
5:34 pm vanessacassie: @acmcdonaldgp Maybe, but IMO tchrs aren't viewed with the same degree of respect as doctors, engineers, etc. #edchat
5:34 pm rliberni: RT @sudam09: @akamrt Fiscal consideration is there of course but mechanism should be evolved for thoughtful allocation. #edchat
5:34 pm ShellTerrell: RT @akamrt: #edchat Military analogy. Frontline knows needs calls in support fr rear. Tchrs know needed change call in admins 4 supp
5:34 pm rliberni: RT @franze98: @akamrt & when support fails on their end, arnt most teachers too scared to take problem 2 next level 4 fear of job? #edchat
5:34 pm fredsheahan: Reform movements start small and gain momentum. Not everyone is ready to make the initial waves. Narratives can inspire others. #edchat
5:35 pm m_yam: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @elanaleoni: @olafelch LOL. Very true. Imagine if all #edchat participants worked in the same school. Imagine what we could accomplish.
5:35 pm boundstaffpress: Wouldn't admin love it if every teacher had a list of reforms that had worked in their classroom? #edchat
5:35 pm akamrt: @sudam09 Oft times tchrs are never part of budget planning - yet they know what they need. Again, we need greater tchr autonomy. #edchat
5:35 pm msmithpds: how do we reconcile reality of "testing culture" w/ desire 4 imaginative, purposeful teaching? - We revamp the testing expectations #edchat
5:35 pm ShellTerrell: RT @elanaleoni: @ShellTerrell You start with baby steps and make sure there's open communication b/w all stakeholders. #edchat
5:35 pm elanaleoni: RT @jgmac1106: Taking part in #edchat supports educational reform!
5:35 pm briancsmith: @VanessaCassie Trust/faith must be earned. Closed classrooms/learning makes it difficult to earn that trust/faith. #edchat
5:35 pm ShellTerrell: RT @ToughLoveforX: @jgmac1106 RT @ShellTerrell: My $.02 make sure teachers and students have time to think and do. #edchat
5:35 pm vanessacassie: LOL! Loving the discussions that I'm 'eavesdropping' re: all of us edchatters teaching in the same school! #edchat
5:35 pm olafelch: @sudam09 Most of the reforms don't need extra funding - they need new thinking. #edchat
5:35 pm acmcdonaldgp: @hadleyjf My one action would be to ensure effective instructional practices (planning, q'ning, student-centered instr. etc) #edchat
5:35 pm msmithpds: kinda interesting how using web 2.0 deals with improving one's values - with digital footprints and all #edchat
5:35 pm ShellTerrell: RT @juleach: Actually, I think they have forgotten how to learn. Students are used to being "fed" the information. #edchat
5:35 pm rliberni: @fredsheahan youo are right, this is a good start don't you think? #edchat
5:35 pm ShellTerrell: RT @jgmac1106: I think tchrs should start at curricular level (see last weeks #edchat) transcript while building capacity and cmty of lnrs
5:35 pm ToughLoveforX: @olafelch @elanaleoni the world record for the longest staff meeting! #edchat How about no more meetings and #edchat instead?
5:35 pm JasonFlom: @akamrt True. true. Change is the one constant throughout history. We've just seen a lion's share of it in last 20 yrs. #edchat
5:35 pm rliberni: RT @elanaleoni: RT @jgmac1106: Taking part in #edchat supports educational reform!
5:35 pm sudam09: Politcians should be asked to allocate their social funds randomly out of their constituency so that vote politics can be minimised. #edchat
5:36 pm ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: As they say at Nike, "Just do it!" #edchat
5:36 pm vanessacassie: I think maybe the issue with ed reform is that what works for one tchr/grp of students doesn't work for the next tch/grp of stdents #edchat
5:36 pm jpsteltz: @VanessaCassie i agree that survival mode is an extreme hurdle to get over #edchat
5:36 pm openstudy: Reform happens on many levels: government, school boards, philanthropic, deans, teachers, and finally students #edchat
5:36 pm StarrMatica: @akamrt Yes the best solution How do we make sure it is "superstar" teachers? What if we had a process to elect peer representatives?#edchat
5:36 pm msmithpds: WOOT! comment of the day! RT @olafelch: @sudam09 Most of the reforms don't need extra funding - they need new thinking. #edchat
5:36 pm JasonFlom: gotta go and be with my students. Party on #edchat. Had a blast! Y'all rock.
5:36 pm frankcrawford: @tomwhitby In 12 yrs we'll have 'iTunesU' 4 whole school curriculum? So why go to school? Same reason as now, less the didactic bit. #edchat
5:36 pm esolcourses: RT @olafelch @sudam09 Most of the reforms don't need extra funding - they need new thinking. #edchat ] agree!
5:36 pm vanessacassie: I gotta cut this edchat short today! Thanks PLN! It's given me a lot to think about! #edchat
5:36 pm akamrt: @franze98 #edchat Yes they r & also they are the 1s blamed for failed reform. Best way to reform sch? Shut it down for a year a rethink it.
5:36 pm daveandcori: CNN Brkng news: Medcl journal Lancet fully retracts 1998 study linking MMR vaccine to autism-says "incorrect" elements of research. #edchat
5:37 pm olafelch: RT @acmcdonaldgp:My 1 action wld be 2 ensure effective instructional practice planning, q'ning, student-centered instr. etc #edchat
5:37 pm acmcdonaldgp: @VanessaCassie I wonder why that is? Is it because of their experiences in school compared to their experiences w/doctors/etc.? #edchat
5:37 pm rliberni: RT @openstudy: Reform happens on many levels: government, school boards, philanthropic, deans, teachers, and finally students #edchat
5:37 pm jgmac1106: At federal level I believe in competitive grants, support 4 community centered schools in low SES area, prison reform #edchat
5:37 pm msmithpds: @vanessacassie but now it is so much easier to differentiate what edu reform is for teachers - so many diff things to try #edchat
5:37 pm StarrMatica: RT @jpsteltz: @VanessaCassie i agree that survival mode is an extreme hurdle to get over #edchat
5:37 pm rliberni: @openstudy all these levels are important but I think those at the chalk face are the last to be considered s'times #edchat
5:37 pm paulbrichardson: Can we take inspiration from the open source movement? Creativity at the bottom, a little gentle direction at the top..... #edchat
5:37 pm fredsheahan: @vanessacassie I agree; I think that reform as a concept should be the support to ALLOW teachers to succeed in different ways #edchat
5:37 pm DoremiGirl: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: As they say at Nike, "Just do it!" #edchat And think positive!
5:38 pm min_d_j: ABSOLUTELY!! RT @msmithpds: > @olafelch: @sudam09 Most of the reforms don't need extra funding - they need new thinking. #edchat
5:38 pm ToughLoveforX: @ShellTerrell If teachers can take an hour in the middle of a Tuesday to #edchat , precisely why spend precious time meeting?
5:38 pm akamrt: @StarrMatica #edchat The selection would need to be absent political ties. Pols & admins don't select those involved - edu do, at all levels
5:38 pm Parentella: @openstudy Agreed, would be great if they all worked together to create a system that works.-AH #edchat
5:38 pm msmithpds: @StarrMatica survival mode or comfort mode? #edchat
5:38 pm sudam09: @TallGamer Of course internet & technology hav not percolated dn. But ths is vry useful. In India ths is not possible though. #edchat
5:38 pm rliberni: @paulbrichardson great analogy, right on! #edchat
5:39 pm akenuam: reform must begin within the classroom, we (teachers, schools, parents) must raise our expectations of students #edchat
5:39 pm jgmac1106: At state level: high standards for teacher educator insititutions, partenrships w/ state universities & schools, regional coopratn #edchat
5:39 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Principal_EL: Correct, bad sys's have driven good tchrs out. Ldrs must b good tchrs & mgrs. Our work is reflected in tchrs work. #edchat
5:39 pm DoremiGirl: YES RT@ShellTerrell: @ToughLoveforX: @jgmac1106 RT @ShellTerrell: My $.02 make sure teachers and students have time to think and do. #edchat
5:39 pm acmcdonaldgp: @DoremiGirl NP...I understand completely! Change process needs to be understood thoroughly f/change to be successful #edchat
5:39 pm Parentella: RT @paulbrichardson: Can we take inspiration from the open source movement? Creativity at the bottom, a little gentle direction at the top..... #edchat
5:39 pm ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: @sudam09 Most of the reforms don't need extra funding - they need new thinking. #edchat
5:39 pm olafelch: the biggest issue here is deciding what you want to achieve with the reforms. #edchat
5:39 pm swalker2: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @juleach: Actually, I think they have forgotten how to learn. Students are used to being "fed" the information. #edchat
5:39 pm boundstaffpress: RT @akenuam: reform must begin within the classroom, we (teachers, schools, parents) must raise our expectations of students #edchat
5:39 pm StarrMatica: @msmithpds Both! Have to do and Have always done. #edchat
5:39 pm openstudy: @rliberni to give you hope. Reform on the local level: http://bit.ly/djY8Cx #edchat
5:39 pm rliberni: RT @akenuam: reform must begin within the classroom, we (teachers, schools, parents) must raise our expectations of students #edchat
5:39 pm rpetersmauri: RT @teromakotero: Distance education for parents of children with autism found effective - http://bit.ly/aceYWn #autism #eLearn #edchat
5:39 pm m_yam: RT @vanessacassie I think maybe the issue with ed reform is that what works for one tchr/grp of students doesn't work for the nex .. #edchat
5:39 pm timesed: From a press perspective, one role teachers can play is challenging politicians? school myths #edchat http://bit.ly/autjsZ
5:40 pm msmithpds: can't wait to see what these children expect out of testing when they are adults - will that help the reform? #edchat
5:40 pm ShellTerrell: @olafelch You're on a hotstreak today my dear keep it coming! #edchat
5:40 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: the biggest issue here is deciding what you want to achieve with the reforms. #edchat
5:40 pm msmithpds: @rpetersmauri thank you for that link #edchat
5:40 pm acmcdonaldgp: Teachers need to be protected in times of change RT @ShellTerrell: RT @Principal_EL: Our work is reflected in tchrs work. #edchat
5:40 pm olafelch: @DoremiGirl Agreed. think positive and go deaf when people say no. #edchat
5:40 pm rliberni: @openstudy thanks, do I seem so pessimistic? #edchat
5:40 pm ShellTerrell: RT @msmithpds: can't wait to see what these children expect out of testing when they are adults - will that help the reform? #edchat
5:40 pm m_yam: RT @akenuam: reform must begin within the classroom, we (teachers, schools, parents) must raise our expectations of students #edchat
5:40 pm swalker2: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: @sudam09 Most of the reforms don't need extra funding - they need new thinking. #edchat
5:40 pm boundstaffpress: @ToughLoveforX I would love to replace staff meetings with a #edchat style exchange. Great reform.
5:41 pm jpsteltz: Yes...w/out a doubt RT @VanessaCassie: @jpsteltz Demographics have the biggest role with regards to parent support #edchat
5:41 pm ToughLoveforX: RT @DoremiGirl: YES RT@ShellTerrell: @ToughLoveforX: @jgmac1106 RT @ShellTerrell: My $.02 make sure teachers and students have time to think and do. #edchat
5:41 pm DoremiGirl: Great thinkers you are! Hate to go, but must teach now. #edchat teachers - you're so awesome! You are the change agents!
5:41 pm elanaleoni: @paulbrichardson Yes! The open source movement would be gr8 for ed reform. Infuse bottom up creativity into ed reform. #edchat
5:41 pm msmithpds: RT @boundstaffpress: @ToughLoveforX I would love to replace staff meetings with a #edchat style exchange. Great reform.
5:41 pm teachingwthsoul: RT @akenuam: reform must begin within the classroom, we (teachers, schools, parents) must raise our expectations of students #edchat
5:41 pm jgmac1106: RT @olafelch: @DoremiGirl Agreed. think positive and go deaf when people say no. #edchat
5:41 pm olafelch: @ShellTerrell Thanks. i put it down to Budvar. (Excellent Czech beer!) #edchat
5:41 pm ShellTerrell: RT @DoremiGirl: #edchat I think all of us at #educon felt that passion & love for students, our field was why we were there.
5:42 pm juleach: RT @akenuam: reform must begin within the classroom, we (teachers, schools, parents) must raise our expectations of students #edchat
5:42 pm evmaiden: ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: @sudam09 Most of the reforms don't need extra funding - they need new thinking. #edchat
5:42 pm Principal_EL: @ShellTerrell Correct..bad systems have driven good tchrs out. Ldrs must be good tchrs & mgrs. Our work is reflected in tchrs wrk #edchat
5:42 pm hadleyjf: RT @acmcdonaldgp: @hadleyjf My one action - ensure effective instructional practices (planning, q'ning, student-centered instr. etc) #edchat
5:42 pm rliberni: @DoremiGirl thank you for all your gr8 thoughts #teachertuesday #edchat
5:42 pm CHuckeba: RT @akenuam: reform must begin within the classroom, we (teachers, schools, parents) must raise our expectations of students #edchat AGREED!
5:42 pm StarrMatica: RT @swalker2: Most of the reforms don't need extra funding - they need new thinking. And Time to think and implement practically. #edchat
5:42 pm ToughLoveforX: @DoremiGirl So why not do #edchat in the school or classroom to save time? @ShellTerrell
5:42 pm acmcdonaldgp: @jpsteltz @VanessaCassie Deomographics matter re: parental involvement, but they are not nec. a barrier. Need creativity to connect #edchat
5:43 pm m_yam: RT @msmithpds: RT @boundstaffpress: @ToughLoveforX I would love to replace staff meetings with a #edchat style exchange. Great reform.
5:43 pm ShellTerrell: Perhaps what we need is a large virtual meet up where we stir the passion & pass knowledge/ resources of how to make the change #edchat
5:43 pm DoremiGirl: @olafelch Yes b/c negativity really eats away at your heart! Stay away from negativity! :-) #edchat
5:43 pm ToughLoveforX: RT @msmithpds: RT @boundstaffpress: @ToughLoveforX I would love to replace staff meetings with a #edchat style exchange. Great reform.
5:43 pm CHuckeba: We must start the reform at an early age as well. Raise the expectations from the beginning of schooling, don't wait until ms/hs. #edchat
5:43 pm boundstaffpress: I'm working this semester to influence my fellow teachers a few at a time to get involved here. #edchat has reformed my best practices.
5:43 pm evmaiden: sounds like we need less "reform" a little more "transform" #edchat
5:43 pm hadleyjf: @ShellTerrell sign me up if you do it! #edchat
5:44 pm teachingwthsoul: RT @ShellTerrell: We need a large virtual meet up where we stir the passion & pass knowledge/ resources of how to make the change #edchat
5:44 pm ShellTerrell: RT @ToughLoveforX: @DoremiGirl So why not do #edchat in the school or classroom to save time?
5:44 pm cybraryman1: So, how do we convince legislators that we elected to allow teachers, parents and students more of a role in ed reform? #edchat
5:44 pm sudam09: RT @CHuckeba: RT @akenuam: reform must begin within the classroom, we (teachers, schools, parents) must raise our expectations of students #edchat AGREED!
5:44 pm Parentella: @ShellTerrell Personally that sounds fantastic to me :) #edchat -AH
5:44 pm TallGamer: @sudam09 Oh I agree it's very useful but I just wonder how many people don't know about it and thus and can't benefit from it #edchat
5:44 pm ToughLoveforX: @msmithpds @boundstaffpress: So what's the hard part "to replace staff meetings with a #edchat style exchange" ? Ain't tech.
5:44 pm akamrt: @olafelch #edchat Can you decide what you want to achieve w/ reform if the idea of sch has lost a purpose for being?
5:44 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @ShellTerrell Thanks. i put it down to Budvar. (Excellent Czech beer!) time to share!! #edchat
5:44 pm bcinfrance: @rliberni What's the definition of a failed teacher? Who knows, maybe they want to reform a system they feel failed them...? #edchat
5:44 pm olafelch: @juleach @akenuam: Great. Let's raise the expectations of students. But to do that they have to have a future. #edchat
5:44 pm acmcdonaldgp: IF I were charged with reforming a district, the first thing I did would be to work 2 identify the shared vision of all stakeholders #edchat
5:44 pm ShellTerrell: @hadleyjf Can't do it alone! I was hoping to get some volunteers... hint, hint #edchat
5:44 pm hadleyjf: @DoremiGirl Good to have a way to "talk" with you! Have a great class! #edchat
5:44 pm jgmac1106: @CHuckeba @akenuam studnts & parents must also raise their expectations of teachers. While communities must have gratitude 4 service #edchat
5:45 pm Principal_EL: So much is required of the principal and leader that many are leaving the profession, and the pipeline is dwindling....#edchat
5:45 pm dlfulton: My one action - actively engage students about what THEY want to learn about a topic and create curriculum around that #edchat
5:45 pm malchkiey: RT @acmcdonaldgp: Teachers need to be protected in times of change ...there a link for this reference sandy? #edchat
5:45 pm jpsteltz: RT @acmcdonaldgp: IF I were charged with reforming a district, the first thing I did would be to work 2 identify the shared vision of all stakeholders #edchat
5:45 pm m_yam: RT @ShellTerrell: @olafelch You're on a hotstreak today my dear keep it coming! #edchat
5:45 pm hadleyjf: @ShellTerrell Sign me up for the work as well! No gain without.... #edchat
5:45 pm ShellTerrell: Perhaps @MrR0g3rs & @jasontbedell we should consider making a virtual #teachmeet #edchat
5:46 pm olafelch: @akamrt I don't believe school has lost its purpose for being. It's just that the focus is wrong. #edchat
5:46 pm StarrMatica: RT @cybraryman1: How do we convince legislators that we elected to allow teachers, parents and students more of a role in ed reform? #edchat
5:46 pm rliberni: He who pays the piper calls the tune, how to upend this? #edchat
5:46 pm boundstaffpress: RT @ToughLoveforX So what's the hard part "to meetings with a #edchat style exchange" ? - Hard part is changing hearts, minds and tradition.
5:46 pm jennar: just did something interesting- read through #edchat convo backwards replacing the word 'reform' with 'refocus' ... made me think
5:46 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Principal_EL: So much is required of the principal & leader that many r leaving the profession, and the pipeline is dwindling....#edchat
5:46 pm sudam09: @CHuckeba Of course reform should begin from classroom or grassroot level. parental particiapation should not be ignored. #edchat
5:46 pm rliberni: @openstudy sometimes playing devil's advocate maybe #edchat
5:46 pm Parentella: RT @acmcdonaldgp: IF I were charged with reforming a district, the first thing I did would be to work 2 identify the shared vision of all stakeholders #edchat
5:46 pm m_yam: RT @ShellTerrell: Perhaps @MrR0g3rs & @jasontbedell we should consider making a virtual #teachmeet #edchat
5:46 pm ShellTerrell: RT @dumacornellucia: Every teacher must learn how to use new tehnologies for a real reform in education #edchat
5:46 pm acmcdonaldgp: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @Principal_EL: So much is required of the principal & leader that many r leaving the profession, .#edchat
5:47 pm ShellTerrell: RT @dumacornellucia: Educational projects can bring a new dimmension for edu reform. #edchat
5:47 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @akamrt Agree! I don't believe school has lost its purpose for being. It's just that the focus is wrong. #edchat
5:47 pm olafelch: RT @Principal_EL: So much is required of the principals that many are leaving the profession. #edchat Give them control of their budgets!
5:47 pm jgmac1106: @Principal_EL And on the flipside it is hard 4 tchrs 2 commit to reform when the mission and leadership shifts so frequently. #edchat
5:47 pm acmcdonaldgp: Being an administrator is a significantly different job now than it was 12 years ago when I started. Larger external factors! #edchat
5:47 pm teachingwthsoul: We shoot ourselves in the foot, by not staying targeted and focused. Too many districts force educators to be all over the map. #edchat
5:47 pm rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @dumacornellucia: Educational projects can bring a new dimmension for edu reform. #edchat
5:47 pm dlfulton: @CHuckeba can be weekly, bi-weekly depending on unit. key is valuing student input, capitalizing on their questions about a topic #edchat
5:48 pm timesed: Teacher-led reform = great. But tough when politicians press in exact opposite direction (ie anti cross-curricular teaching) #edchat
5:48 pm PearsonLongman: Wow, came in late to #edchat. Huge discussion this week
5:48 pm swalker2: Change is nevr easy - reform or transform - until we all hve same ideas of wht ed is 2 provide chngs will nvr lead dn the same road #edchat
5:48 pm jgmac1106: Words a a veteran tchr, "When a reform cycles through for the third time...its usually time to retire." #edchat
5:48 pm ShellTerrell: @juleach @hadleyjf perhaps we should put this in the Edu PLN Ning because I know I'm going to forget names #edchat
5:48 pm juleach: @ShellTerrell Do they really have to learn the new technologies or just be willing to try them with students?? #edchat
5:48 pm MeetingTomorrow: By the Book: Exploring One School's Success with a Technology-Based Reading Program http://tinyurl.com/yefsznu #edchat
5:48 pm teachingwthsoul: Don't I know it!!! Urgh!!! RT @Principal_EL: So much is required of the principal & leader that many r leaving the profession, .#edchat
5:48 pm akamrt: @olafelch #edchat Isn't that semantical diff? If we don't u/stand purpose of sch (if it has 1 that is relevant), reform can't improve much.
5:48 pm fredsheahan: The only way to to change the mindset of a policy maker who has greater relative influence/power, is with an organized voice. #edchat
5:48 pm m_yam: RT @jennar: just did something interesting- read through #edchat convo backwards replacing the word 'reform' with 'refocus' ... made me think
5:49 pm PearsonLongman: What projects are you thinking? @rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @dumacornellucia: Edu projects bring new dimmension for edu reform. #edchat
5:49 pm olafelch: RT @timesed: Teacher-led reform = great. But tough when politicians press in exact opposite direction #edchat V. true realpolitik needed.
5:49 pm jgmac1106: @acmcdonaldgp I know I wasn't built for the administration route. I tip my hat to all admins who work towards ed reform. #edchat
5:49 pm lauraponting: @ShellTerrell @dumacornellucia what about in the countries/ areas where the teachers and students don't have access to new techs? #edchat
5:49 pm ShellTerrell: RT @jgmac1106: @Principal_EL on flipside it is hard 4 tchrs 2 commit to reform when the mission and leadership shifts so frequently. #edchat
5:50 pm ToughLoveforX: @boundstaffpress My $.02 If principal communicated to staff through a school #edchat , I think all those problems disappear.
5:50 pm evmaiden: #edchat RT @chrislehmann: "Is our goal to be a model school or is our goal to advocate for change?" - from an SLA student. #edchat
5:50 pm teachingwthsoul: @acmcdonaldgp Yes! And just when you have a handle on the "latest" dist. focus, they throw you a zinger! So hard on our teachers.#edchat
5:50 pm Str8erLine: what is the topic for tonight's #edchat ?
5:50 pm akamrt: @olafelch #edchat I would have to disagree. If we had a relevant purpose for doing school, wouldn't reform processes be more successful?
5:50 pm xmath2007: @ShellTerrell It's a combination of many things, including both those you have mentioned #edchat
5:51 pm ShellTerrell: . @juleach I would be happy if we could just get all tchrs to facilitate & no more lecturing #edchat
5:51 pm sudam09: Those countries having good internet access has an edge of course. #edchat
5:51 pm m_yam: RT @lauraponting: @ShellTerrell @dumacornellucia what about in the countries/ areas where the teachers and students don't have access to new techs? #edchat
5:51 pm jgmac1106: @PearsonLongman Projects that connect to relevant content, while encouraging stdnts 2 improve the world build reform into curric #edchat
5:51 pm olafelch: @fredsheahan an organized voice is one thing, but you need to win the hearts and minds of the stakeholders. #edchat
5:51 pm rliberni: @PearsonLongman I understood collaborative edu projects btween tchrs for new ideas, pedagogy etc.. #edchat
5:51 pm dlfulton: @CHuckeba doesn't have to be top-down change. Standards set topic, student ?s guide planning, add tchr ?s to ensure meet stds #edchat
5:52 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @fredsheahan an organized voice is one thing, but you need to win the hearts and minds of the stakeholders. #edchat
5:52 pm ShellTerrell: . @lauraponting @dumacornellucia I'm working w/ tchr in Nepal who provides prof dev thru his 1 comp in his house to all #edchat
5:52 pm jgmac1106: RT @rliberni: @PearsonLongman I understood collaborative edu projects btween tchrs for new ideas, pedagogy etc.. #edchat
5:52 pm cybraryman1: @Str8erLine How does the internet change the role of content and prior knowlege. Tonight's edchat #edchat
5:52 pm acmcdonaldgp: YES. Districts need to coordinate their actions to help staff understand the reasons RT @teachingwthsoul: So hard on our teachers.#edchat
5:52 pm rliberni: RT @sudam09: Those countries having good internet access has an edge of course. #edchat
5:52 pm He3Man7: RT @Principal_EL: So much is required of the principal and leader that many are leaving the profession, and the pipeline is dwindling....#edchat
5:53 pm k_shelton: @ShellTerrell there are way too many that either love to hear themselves talk and/or their ego won't let them reliquish that contol #edchat
5:53 pm acmcdonaldgp: RT @ShellTerrell: . @juleach I would be happy if we could just get all tchrs to facilitate & no more lecturing #edchat
5:53 pm olafelch: @akamrt but we do have a relevant purpose for school, it's just that schools aren't necessarily delivering. #edchat
5:53 pm teachingwthsoul: @evmaiden Has got to be to advocate for best practices that enhance student achievement, that then lead to change. #edchat
5:53 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @akamrt but we do have a relevant purpose for school, it's just that schools aren't necessarily delivering. #edchat
5:54 pm ShellTerrell: RT @k_shelton: there are way too many that either love to hear themselves talk and/or their ego won't let them reliquish that contol #edchat
5:54 pm paulawhite: for me it's not about the technology but the depth of the learning-and today's tools support that depth #edchat
5:54 pm rliberni: @PearsonLongman others may have diff ideas - we're talking about reform generally #edchat
5:54 pm rliberni: RT @paulawhite: well said! for me it's not about the technology but the depth of the learning-and today's tools support that depth #edchat
5:54 pm ShellTerrell: @k_shelton These tchrs also complain that students can't learn on their own or don't want to when they never let them to begin with #edchat
5:54 pm acmcdonaldgp: Back where we started. What is the purpse of school? What do we reform? RT @olafelch: @akamrt we have a relevant purpose f/school #edchat
5:54 pm sudam09: There should be efforts to provide technologies to inaccessible areas to give the benefit to all. #edchat
5:54 pm CHuckeba: @dlfulton but with some schools/state rules, it is hard to fit into that box with the requirements they place on teachers. #edchat
5:55 pm boundstaffpress: #vanmeter Idea - give legislators standardized tests. Bring about reform through experience. #edchat
5:55 pm m_yam: RT @paulawhite for me it's not about the technology but the depth of the learning-and today's tools support that depth #edchat Agreed.
5:55 pm ShellTerrell: @CHuckeba I'm a teacher #edchat
5:55 pm teachingwthsoul: No More "sage on the stage". RT @ShellTerrell: @juleach Wud be happy if we could get all tchrs to facilitate & no more lecturing #edchat
5:55 pm ShellTerrell: RT @PearsonLongman: Agree that it's hard to have unified voice when situation changes so rapidly #edchat
5:55 pm akamrt: Have to run. Thx @JasonFlom, @rliberni, @StarrMatica, @ShellTerrell, @sudam09, @franze98 for letting me learn w/ you #edchat
5:55 pm evmaiden: . @teachingwthsoul true, just thought perspective interesting from students at a model school for change #edchat
5:55 pm jgmac1106: Thx @rliberni @shellterrell for another week of great moderating. Kept us focused. As #edchat grows your efforts are more appreciated
5:55 pm CHuckeba: @teachingwthsoul RT @Principal_EL:You could also say the same of teachers.the requirements/expectations today are nearly impossible. #edchat
5:55 pm acmcdonaldgp: RT @sudam09: There should be efforts to provide technologies to inaccessible areas to give the benefit to all. #edchat
5:55 pm hadleyjf: @paulawhite It's about igniting/reigniting a love of learning in ts. Then show how tech can support/encourage. #edchat
5:55 pm xmath2007: Teacher tenure policies, good tchr can go as far as he wants, bad tchr is free to do very little #edchat
5:55 pm paulawhite: It's also not about whether I stand up and lecture--it's about students learning how to learn efficaciously #edchat
5:56 pm boundstaffpress: PD this semester is partly driven by teachers. Some great ideas being presented. Lots of buy-in. #edchat
5:56 pm ShellTerrell: RT @sudam09: There should be efforts to provide technologies to inaccessible areas to give the benefit to all. #edchat
5:56 pm rliberni: @akamrt thanks you for all your gr8 insights #teachertuesday! #edchat
5:56 pm rliberni: RT @paulawhite: It's also not about whether I stand up and lecture--it's about students learning how to learn efficaciously #edchat
5:56 pm olafelch: @ShellTerrell And in the "developed" world I've teachers who wait for a printout because they won't log in to a dbase. #edchat
5:56 pm fredsheahan: This is a powerful article for leadership inspiration and guidance on winning hearts and minds: http://is.gd/7yR0z #edchat
5:56 pm jpsteltz: RT @xmath2007: Teacher tenure policies, good tchr can go as far as he wants, bad tchr is free to do very little #edchat #Teacher #education
5:56 pm rliberni: @jgmac1106 thank you! #teachertuesday! #edchat
5:56 pm rpetersmauri: RT @Tweet4TeachersNOMINATE! Honor your favorite K-12 teacher in our Teacher Excellence Awards! http://ow.ly/10BKg #edtech #edchat
5:56 pm hadleyjf: RT @paulawhite: Its also not about whether I stand up and lecture--its about students learning how to learn efficaciously #edchat
5:57 pm paulawhite: sorry to come in late. . . #edchat
5:57 pm evmaiden: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @sudam09: There should be efforts to provide technologies to inaccessible areas to give the benefit to all. #edchat
5:57 pm readtoday: RT @boundstaffpress: #vanmeter Idea - give legislators standardized tests. Bring about reform through experience. #edchat
5:57 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @ShellTerrell And in the "developed" world I've teachers who wait for a printout because they won't log in to a dbase. #edchat
5:57 pm jeanlastennet: RT @morsmal: 5 Essential Tools for the Mobile Journalist. http://bit.ly/dgRWmx #edtech #edchat
5:57 pm readtoday: @ShellTerrell What is the #edchat topic for today?Thanks
5:57 pm m_yam: RT @hadleyjf: RT @paulawhite: Its also not about whether I stand up and lecture--its about students learning how to learn efficaciously #edchat
5:57 pm rliberni: Don't forget to follow @jswiatek for the archive #edchat
5:58 pm acmcdonaldgp: @paulawhite @boundstaffpress PD NEEDS should always be driven by teacher needs. What do we need to do to support schl goals? #edchat
5:58 pm Parentella: It's import. 2 teach in a variety of ways since students learn in different ways, lecturing, action, reading...it's all valid -AH #edchat
5:58 pm studentforcenow: RT @paulawhite: It's also not about whether I stand up and lecture--it's about students learning how to learn efficaciously #edchat
5:58 pm PearsonLongman: Agreed. All tools cn be used by good teachers to develop minds @rliberni: RT @paulawhite: not about lecture, sts learn how to learn #edchat
5:58 pm paulawhite: RT @fredsheahan:powerful article-leadership inspiration-winning hearts/minds: http://is.gd/7yR0z #edchat Looks good, thx 4 sharing!
5:59 pm hadleyjf: Time to go! Thanks for the conversation! #edchat
5:59 pm rliberni: Summary of discussion and all links tommorrow at http://bit.ly/1aB6bx #edchat
5:59 pm openstudy: I'll see you all tonight for some more #edchat conversation at 7 p.m.! Have a good afternoon.
5:59 pm teachingwthsoul: @CHuckeba Yes...not sure where you are, But here in Cali we have tons of eager, wud b teachers. I'm mentoring a few.#edchat
5:59 pm m_yam: RT @MeetingTomorrow: By the Book: Exploring One School's Success with a Technology-Based Reading Program http://tinyurl.com/yefsznu #edchat
6:00 pm snugnluv: RT @Parentella: It's import. 2 teach in a variety of ways since students learn in different ways, lecturing, action, reading...it's all valid -AH #edchat
6:00 pm PearsonLongman: Thanks all. Looking forward to the summary tomorrow @rliberni #edchat
6:00 pm teachingwthsoul: Ouch! So painful...RT @xmath2007: Teacher tenure policies, good tchr can go as far as he wants, bad tchr is free to do very little #edchat
6:00 pm acmcdonaldgp: I'm off everyone! Thanks for the gr8 discussion. My last point: does education and learning = school? What do we want to reform? #edchat
6:01 pm rliberni: @readtoday Do we believe all educators should further educational reform? Why? #edchat
6:01 pm paulawhite: @acmcdonaldgp you a buddy of @Djakes? LOL We had this discussion last week! #edchat
6:01 pm m_yam: RT @acmcdonaldgp: RT @ShellTerrell: . @juleach I would be happy if we could just get all tchrs to facilitate & no more lecturing #edchat
6:01 pm evmaiden: RT @acmcdonaldgp: Thanks for the gr8 discussion. My last point: does education and learning = school? What do we want to reform? #edchat
6:01 pm rliberni: @acmcdonaldgp thank you for a gr8 discussion #teachertuesday! #edchat
6:01 pm paulawhite: RT @rliberni: @readtoday Do we believe all educators should further educational reform? Why? #edchat
6:01 pm sudam09: RT @rliberni: Summary of discussion and all links tommorrow at http://bit.ly/1aB6bx #edchat
6:01 pm esolcourses: RT @rliberni: Summary of discussion and all links tommorrow at http://bit.ly/1aB6bx #edchat
6:01 pm acmcdonaldgp: @paulawhite LOL...nope.....don't know @Djakes......great discussion topic though! #edchat
6:02 pm Parentella: Great chat today. Thanks for sharing your insights with me, I keep learning more every time with you all! #edchat -AH
6:02 pm rliberni: @PearsonLongman thank you for a gr8 discussion #teachertuesday! #edchat
6:02 pm paulawhite: Thansk all, sounds like I missed a GREAT one--looking forward to the summary! #edchat
6:02 pm olafelch: Great dynamic #edchat tonight. Thanks to all, esp. @rliberni @ShellTerrell @akamrt @acmcdonaldgp @DoremiGirl @evmaiden #teachertuesday
6:03 pm swalker2: Thanks for the conversation #edchat
6:03 pm paulawhite: @ShellTerrell thanks, as always for facillitating! #edchat
6:03 pm rliberni: @paulawhite it was lively today! thank you too! #teachertuesday #edchat
6:03 pm timesed: Thanks to all at #edchat. PS ?Teachers and students should press for an education worthy of a democracy? http://bit.ly/2zu27D
6:03 pm rliberni: @olafelch thnks some gr8 comments! #teachertuesday #edchat
6:04 pm allofek12: Thanks for a great #edchat! #teachertuesday @hadleyjf @rliberni @ShellTerrell
6:04 pm teachingwthsoul: Loved the robust #edchat! Would love to see us continue a topic for a few weeks before jumping to another...just saying Thanks @ShellTerrell
6:04 pm rliberni: RT @timesed: Thanks to all at #edchat. PS ?Teachers and students should press for an education worthy of a democracy? http://bit.ly/2zu27D
6:04 pm paulawhite: RT @timesed: Thanks to all at #edchat. PS ?Teachers and students should press for an education worthy of a democracy? http://bit.ly/2zu27D
6:04 pm CHuckeba: RT @Parentella: It's import. 2 teach in a variety of ways since students learn in different ways, lecturing, action, reading...it's all valid -AH #edchat
6:04 pm bcinfrance: Could've been interesting to see WHAT tchrs feel needs reforming WHERE..4 ex France: long hours, tchr recruitment, parents shut out #edchat
6:04 pm acmcdonaldgp: @olafelch Thank you too! I enjoy these a great deal. Would love to turn a chat like this into an action research proj. #edchat
6:05 pm rliberni: A great discussion today everyone thank you all summary tomorrow http://bit.ly/1aB6bx and archive @jswiatek later #edchat
6:05 pm readtoday: RT @paulawhite: RT @rliberni: @readtoday Do we believe all educators should further educational reform? Why? #edchat
6:05 pm olafelch: Great dynamic #edchat tonight. Thanks to all, esp. @sudam09 @min_d_j @msmithpds @esolcourses @ToughLoveforX @elanaleoni #teachertuesday
6:05 pm sudam09: Useful #edchat indeed though i was a bit away. Will read tomorrow @rliberni
6:05 pm paulawhite: RT @bcinfrance: Could've been interesting to see WHAT tchrs feel needs reforming WHERE... GOOD IDEA for follow up #edchat
6:05 pm rliberni: @acmcdonaldgp that's a gr8 idea - we should think seriously about it #edchat
6:05 pm esolcourses: Thanks for a great discussion, everyone! With special thanks to @ShellTerrell and @rliberni for moderating :-) #edchat #teachertuesday
6:05 pm readtoday: @paulawhite Thanks Paul. The system is all upside down. Teachers are involved in reform every day. #edchat
6:06 pm rliberni: @sudam09 thank you for your gr8 contribution , so important to get another viewpoint! #teachertuesday #edchat
6:06 pm readtoday: I am so offended by the amount of money spent on "arm chair" reform efforts and studies #edchat
6:06 pm CHuckeba: good discussion, but agree with many that we need a follow-up. How will we actually make change? How do we reform? #edchat
6:06 pm rliberni: @esolcourses thanks Sue, another gr8 one #teachertuesday #edchat
6:07 pm k_shelton: @ShellTerrell I agree. Dealt that with more times that I would like in grad school too #edchat
6:07 pm rliberni: @allofek12 wonderful coments thanx #teachertuesday #edchat
6:07 pm jennar: RT @rliberni: A great discussion today everyone thank you all summary tomorrow http://bit.ly/1aB6bx and archive @jswiatek later #edchat
6:08 pm rliberni: RT @readtoday: I am so offended by the amount of money spent on "arm chair" reform efforts and studies #edchat
6:08 pm ToughLoveforX: @boundstaffpress #vanmeter Idea - give legislators standardized tests to politcos . #edchat Those who don't pass, get fired or left back :-)
6:08 pm rliberni: @CHuckeba I think you're right we should re-visit this #edchat
6:09 pm bcinfrance: @paulawhite I just started thinking there must be huge cultural differences in the question...but got brilliant too late, lol! #edchat
6:09 pm jasontbedell: @ShellTerrell I would be all for it. I'm having trouble finding sponsors, so this could be a better option. #teachmeet #edchat
6:09 pm cullaloe: @xmath2007 Just not true. Good teachers are bullied and suppressed by the bad teachers that have been promoted to SMT #edchat
6:09 pm olafelch: Great dynamic #edchat tonight. Thanks to all, esp. @analomba @hadleyjf @m_yam @Parentella @jgmac1106 @openstudy #teachertuesday
6:10 pm cbcurtisTTL: RT @xmath2007: Teacher tenure policies, good tchr can go as far as he wants, bad tchr is free to do very little #edchat
6:10 pm teachingwthsoul: RT @ASCD Educator: Curriculum overhaul should be part of reform: Meaningful education reform must also includ.http://bit.ly/aZfTHu #edchat
6:10 pm tsiuts: RT @web20classroom This evenings #edchat topic is on how the Internet is changing the role of content and prior knowledge. #literacy
6:10 pm MissHMartin: RT @timesed: From a press perspective, one role teachers can play is challenging politicians? school myths #edchat http://bit.ly/autjsZ
6:10 pm paulawhite: @bcinfrance that's why it should go more than one week--so we can all share our after-fact-brilliance! <grin> #edchat
6:10 pm m_yam: @hadleyjf @olafelch Oh I missed your replies while I've been reading and RTing... Still tough to keep up with #edchat
6:11 pm La_H: RT @timesed: From a press perspective, one role teachers can play is challenging politicians? school myths #edchat http://bit.ly/autjsZ
6:11 pm readtoday: If teachers were equal members at the reform table we would finally see real change #edchat
6:11 pm teachingwthsoul: @CHuckeba Yes! I just tweeted the same...more or less...Lets stay on this same topic for a few weeks.#edchat
6:12 pm readtoday: RT @rliberni: RT @paulawhite: well said! for me it's not about the technology but the depth of the learning-and today's tools support that depth #edchat
6:12 pm allofek12: Amen! RT @readtoday If teachers were equal members at the reform table we would finally see real change #edchat
6:13 pm shawdave: coming late to the #edchat party. Looking forward to the log
6:13 pm readtoday: RT @sudam09: There should be efforts to provide technologies to inaccessible areas to give the benefit to all. #edchat
6:13 pm vanessacassie: @shawdave It was a good one! Happy reading :) #edchat
6:13 pm readtoday: On a technology front, I have been most disturbed by the i-pad. #edchat This is the Digital Divide looking for a place to happen.
6:13 pm lamoureuxr: RT @paulawhite: 4 me it's not about the technology but the depth of the learning-& today's tools support that depth #edchat <well said!
6:14 pm olafelch: One of the saddest things about my job is the vast majority of teachers I see just wouldn't get the point of what we just did in #edchat ;o(
6:15 pm ToughLoveforX: Anyone is interested in continuing a convo about making #edchat the focus of an Action Research project? at the ning http://bit.ly/1RSL2n
6:17 pm m_yam: RT @olafelch: One of the saddest things about my job is the vast majority of teachers I see just wouldn't get the point of what we just did in #edchat ;o(
6:17 pm sudam09: RT @olafelch: One of the saddest things about my job is the vast majority of teachers I see just wouldn't get the point of what we just did in #edchat ;o(
6:17 pm NewsNeus: RT @ToughLoveforX: Anyone is interested in continuing a convo about making #edchat the focus of an Action Research project? at the ning http://bit.ly/1RSL2n
6:19 pm Principal_EL: @CHuckeba @teachingwthsoul Amen! RT You could say the same of teachers. The requirements/expectations today are nearly impossible. #edchat

 

 

 

No Need For Another Expensive and Ineffective Program

 

Here's a radical idea:  How about letting teachers teach by cutting down on the amount of redundant paperwork they need to fill out (e.g. CSAP forms, attendance roll sheets, etc.) Generally speaking, teachers complete these time-consuming tasks sometime during their work day, and the only way they can complete it is by cutting back on the preparation time for instruction or instruction altogether.  This isn't because they want to be bad teachers; they are left with little choice.  Additionally, we could let teachers teach according to each student's needs and not the political needs in the form of instruction wholly based on how to take standardized tests.

 

The current system incentivizes such narrow-minded approach that everyone falls prey to the pressure, and it is easier and more economically convenient, at least in the short term, to do what's asked, even when it makes little sense, than to ask questions about an irrational practice. For the time they have before and after school is already used to organize classroom and more paperwork.

 

Before I came into teaching I had the same attitude toward teachers that Betty Ray accurately described in her blog.  But after a few months on the job, my perception of this profession has evolved dramatically.  I now respect people who are aware of the challenges and still choose this profession, because it is hard, exhausting, underpaid, and underappreciated.  I am part of what's considered a failing school, and after observing what goes on in my school and what goes on in another suburban school, I could find a major difference in the way teachers prepare their instruction and/or deliver it.  I think we are looking in the wrong place when we blame the schools, the teachers, the administrators, for failing grades. 

 

The truth is, and not many people are willing to admit it, the problem is bigger than the school, is bigger than the community.  It is a social responsibility that should be shared among all citizens living in the US. Schools only reflect the disparities that exist in our society and that may be a result that's taken generations in the making. Unfortunately, schools are the first official institutions where these disparities become quantifiable and somehow legitimized vis a vis student test scores.  But they are not the make or break of the students. 

 

The schools serve only as 'coaches' at best, and 'facilitators' at worst for education to take place.  Schools, and for that matter, teachers, are limited as to what they can make students do inside the school and powerless to what they can make students do outside.  Yet, they are the scapegoats of our collective failure, direct failure from the parents' lack of input, the acute segregation along economic lines, and the shortsightedness of political influence that has exacerbated the problem, and not helped to solve it.

 

 

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