| 11:20 pm |
kylepace: |
@PaulWHankins I agree! And re: I said earlier, teachers are becoming too accepting of that response! #edchat |
| 11:20 pm |
tomwhitby: |
@richardschwarz I would agree, but you and I are not to be convinced. Many others less understanding need to be. #edchat |
| 11:20 pm |
tonnet: |
@amychim This is common place. If they really are interested in hearing tchrs, this is the place to be. #edchat |
| 11:20 pm |
radicalgeek: |
RT @joe_bower: No education reform will succeed until teachers and students r seen as ppl to be worked with rather than manipulated #edchat |
| 11:20 pm |
rroysden: |
RT @TheNerdyTeacher: Is it time to admit as a country, that our system doesn't work and start looking elsewhere for examples. #edchat |
| 11:20 pm |
web20classroom: |
RT @foustmusic: Heres a question...do the BEST teachers end up being administrators? <-Not always. Many just leave the profession #edchat |
| 11:20 pm |
evemarfil: |
Rethinking education, a must read! « Brain Art and Education» Antonio and Hanna Damasio http://bit.ly/9KV73g #edchat |
| 11:20 pm |
NMHS_Principal: |
Vision+collaboration+support+follow-through = reform #edchat |
| 11:20 pm |
amychim: |
#edchat did you know sped studnets who get cert. of completion to do post high prog. are viewed as drop out by feds |
| 11:21 pm |
MrMusselman: |
@ksivick Eliminating grade levels might allow us to promote student only after they showed progress/mastery. Agree? #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
the_arbitrator: |
@21stprincipal http://bit.ly/arbitr grade levels are archaic and definite #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
ReadingCountess: |
RT @PaulWHankins: What other profession is in the fishbowl > teaching? Has anyone called for a standardization of how Subway sandwiches are made? #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@PaulWHankins And techers have adpoted a comfort level of minimal effort to teach. Comfort levels can be changed however #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
lindseybp: |
RT @stangea: Twitter discussions on reform would be more interesting if we had broader representation, particularly legislators & interest groups #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
jlangtello: |
@thart74 there are so many views as to how that transformation takes place! #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
theprofspage: |
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20100406/NEWS/100409744?p=3&tc=pg&tc=ar #edchat BOE votes Fri to determine our fate! |
| 11:21 pm |
kylepace: |
RT @NMHS_Principal: Vision+collaboration+support+follow-through = reform #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
gfred33: |
@rroysden Yes and that is what has to change before reform/improvement can happen. #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
usamimi74: |
RT @PaulWHankins: Okay. Respond how u will. students have adopted a comfort level with "I don't know" as a response 2 inquir. #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
bjnichols: |
Education should be about opportunities & options for all kids. #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
@kylepace @PaulWHankins But have they been conditioned to do that by lousy school experiences? #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
melhutch: |
@kellyderushia Is it that they don't want to? #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
web20classroom: |
@stacykasse But then you get into National Standards and that is a whole other bad idea...kids are so different state by state #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
monk51295: |
RT @misterlamb - Do all stdnts require same ed? Or more differentiated schling w/varying stndrds? #edchat - new standard - personalization |
| 11:21 pm |
theprofspage: |
RT @usamimi74: RT @PaulWHankins: Okay. Respond how u will. students have adopted a comfort level with "I don't know" as a response 2 inquir. #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
foustmusic: |
@web20classroom I agree, and herein lies a major problem in ed...not the best, just the one with the proper certification #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
evemarfil: |
RT @jasontbedell: RT @joe_bower: No education reform will succeed until teachers and students r seen as ppl to be worked with rather than manipulated #edchat |
| 11:21 pm |
tenteacher: |
RT @kylepace: RT @NMHS_Principal: Vision+collaboration+support+follow-through = reform #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
wmchamberlain: |
RT @cybraryman1: Politicians should not be the leaders of ed reform. #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
jasontbedell: |
@foustmusic Sometimes the best teachers want to stay teaching. Admin makes more $, which does play into motivation for some. #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@theprofspage Sorry, I'm Canadian! We use standardizes tests because they produce clean, 'objective' results which governments like #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
fiteach: |
@DouglasCrets Usually what comes to the US follows for us Cdns. Also, we just care about kids. Can't speak for @joe_bower tho. #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
web20classroom: |
@melhutch Yea...and see we need more of that in the public arena.... #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
kylepace: |
Regarding what @nmhs_principal just tweeted, what's the most important of those 4 factors? I say follow-through. #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
djainslie: |
@bjnichols good for you! ahhh VA- a colleague of mine is from VA and says it is much diff there then here (NY) good for you #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
cybraryman1: |
@gfred33 Good point about teaching to career. Also need to infuse career ed in all subject areas & grade levels #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
EricTownsley: |
@johntspencer agree, what's the purpose, creating workers, college students? many possibilities, do allow a std. choice? #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
@foustmusic most admins i know were NOT good tchrs... one of many reasons they left the classroom #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
Casillia: |
Agreed! @stangea Twitter discussions on reform better if we had broader representation, particularly legislators & interest groups #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
theprofspage: |
@lindseybp @stangea at least we agree change needs to take place! #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
plugusin: |
@NMHS_Principal : "Vision" is the trickiest, considering how many different outcomes people expect of schools. #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
kylepace: |
@Philip_Cummings Exactly! Too many teachers let them! #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
AmyJ2323: |
Ideas are merely that. Reform requires action! #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
RT @wmchamberlain: RT @cybraryman1: Politicians should not be the leaders of ed reform. #edchat |
| 11:22 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
What about expectations for behavior? If we are going to make changes we have to have stronger support. #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
web20classroom: |
@kylepace Personally they are all important...you can't really have one without the other 3... #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
KevinByers: |
@21stprincipal Our district is working to get rid of grade levels... It's tough work! http://sbs.adams50.org #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
tomwhitby: |
@jasontbedell Better ways to record accomplishments.Portfolios, projects and other work can now be digitally recorded for assessment #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
ksivick: |
RT @MrMusselman: Eliminating grade levels might allow us to promote student only after they showed progress/mastery. Agree? #edchat YES |
| 11:23 pm |
stevebarkley: |
What about teams of teachers focused on groups of students meeting standards #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
richardschwarz: |
@MrMusselman Eliminating grades eliminates the easy system parents use for grading their child. #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
tonnet: |
@VanessaSCassie @21stprincipal research is needed. Good point. #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
Education should be about providing students with self-respect and love of learning. With those 2 things all problems could b solved #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
rugcernie: |
@Brneyed1 #edchat I say it belongs to everybody because everybody is affected by it to some extent. |
| 11:23 pm |
theprofspage: |
@BrianStPierre @foustmusic My admins are good tchrs. That's why they make good admins. Some tchrs make better admins than tchrs. #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
paulawhite: |
RT @ksivick: No "standards" maybe benchmarks...basic levels of competency...after that lets see what you can do #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
& neighborhood 2 neighborhood RT @web20classroom: @stacykasse But then u get n2 National Stands...kids r so different state by state #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
richardschwarz: |
RT @kylepace: RT @NMHS_Principal: Vision+collaboration+support+follow-through = reform #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
djainslie: |
@BrianStPierre: @foustmusic most admins i know were NOT good tchrs... one of many reasons they left the classroom< not all were #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
thomasjwest: |
Sorry folks - my children are making it impossible for me to contribute this week. Maybe next time. #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@wmchamberlain sorry, gates foundation is not in blame game here, but data driven. You should check them out. #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
plugusin: |
@kylepace : Don't you think it depends on the stakeholder group? #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
gfred33: |
@misterlamb No. At some point (before college) stds need to be taught what they will need for a career that they want to pursue. #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
PaulWHankins: |
I had English/Grammar class w/ an older school teacher who refused "I don't know" as a response. She would counter, "You do know." #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@tonnet Haha! Thanks for picking up on that ;) #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
megormi: |
RT @AmyJ2323: Ideas are merely that. Reform requires action! #edchat I agree we can't be all talk, how can we act? |
| 11:23 pm |
womanastronomer: |
RT @gameclassroom: We need more opportunities for students to learn outside of the classroom. Such as internships to apply knowledge in a workplace #edchat. |
| 11:23 pm |
kylepace: |
@web20classroom I do have to agree with that as well. 1st one that came to mind as most inconsistent was follow-through. #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
paulawhite: |
@web20classroom missed it--what's the first step? #edchat |
| 11:23 pm |
Casillia: |
Vision+collaboration+support+follow-through = reform via @NMHS_Principal @kylepace #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
cmollerstuen: |
RT @nathanpitt: Increasing "virtual" capacity for ALL schools instead of "virtual schools" as distinct entities - would expand education's reach #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
amychim: |
#edchat education in the US is working,but not ideal. Politicians think they have all the ans. Ex. NCLB i am not sure teacher had any input |
| 11:24 pm |
richardschwarz: |
RT @joe_bower: No education reform will succeed until teachers and students r seen as ppl to be worked with rather than manipulated #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
melhutch: |
@web20classroom It is also easier in the elementary schools- need to take some of our beliefs and apply to older students. #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
theprofspage: |
@mbcampbell360 What if they seem unable to learn both of those? See no value in ed? Won't live past 23? #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
gameclassroom: |
@richardschwarz Seems like this approach might help students learn about different occupations and hopefully spark a passion #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
radicalgeek: |
@plugusin Until we let teachers teach radically differently, fail, then learn from those failures, they have no responsibility #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
akamrt: |
RT @stevebarkley: What about teams of teachers focused on groups of students meeting standards #edchat < a great approach! |
| 11:24 pm |
EricTownsley: |
in order to assess learning, tchrs must be trusted as teachers and professionals, not seen as just delivers of content. #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
jasontbedell: |
@tomwhitby I like the idea of portfolio based assessment. Wondering if teachers would get to assess or if gov would standardize #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
AntHeald: |
RT @misterlamb: Why do we still follow bell schedules? Let's open up learning! #edchat <agree: mentioned this in earlier edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
fiteach: |
RT @mbcampbell360: Education should be about providing students with self-respect and love of learning. With those 2 things all problems could b solved #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
rroysden: |
RT @tonnet: Ed reform should be a collaborative of teachers/parents/students/admin via @cybraryman1 #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
PaulWHankins: |
And you know what? Most times, we did. We never got too comfortable. "I don't know" is the PC age's "Bug off." We must "bug on." #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
web20classroom: |
@DeputyMitchell Ultimatly we want to produce students who are creators of content, who understand learning... #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
ileducprof: |
RT @journalproject: @cybraryman1 parents/teachers/students/admin working collaboratively requires mutual respect & understanding #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
melhutch: |
@kellyderushia why think when you aren't being asked to or inspired or passionate about content? #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
Horizons93: |
RT @NMHS_Principal Vision+collaboration+support+follow-through = reform #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
K12Live: |
The "Achilles Heel" of Education Reform is Slashed by Michael Bloomberg http://ow.ly/1vlSA #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
shawdave: |
so... Ready students + relevant curriculum + new delivery + new assessment methods = reformed education. Let's get started! #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
gfred33: |
@cybraryman1 ......Also need to infuse career ed in all subject areas & grade levels. Absolutely! #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
tonnet: |
Ed reform is needed, but what are the critical issues that should be solved immediately and which ones in the long term. #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
rroysden: |
RT @tomwhitby: Educators can't agree on what reform should look like. If we can't agree, how do we convince non-educators? #edchat |
| 11:24 pm |
thart74: |
School district that has done away with grade levels. http://www.sbsadams50.org/content/ #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
@theprofspage the fact that you have good admins puts you a step ahead of my district already #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
WendyE40: |
@misterlamb Of course! It just makes me nervous --best interests of the students might not nec. be what was driving difference #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
joe_bower: |
@web20classroom sure we can do more than remove tests, but their removal would liberate many great tchrs. Don't underestimate this #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
jasontbedell: |
@EricTownsley In many programs, teachers are reduced to little more than test-prep technicians. #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
theprofspage: |
@womanastronomer @gameclassroom Those co-op kids need drive and self-discipline to finish the job! Not all teens have that. #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
web20classroom: |
@kylepace Very true...that is often a problem many places....but seems the easiest to overcome... #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
shawdave: |
like it's that easy, eh? #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
tomwhitby: |
@akamrt There is no education Industry. We do not produce products. We do need to prove that we are doing something. Problem! #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
akamrt: |
RT @radicalgeek: @plugusin Until we let tchrs tch radically differently, fail, then learn from failures, they have no responsibility #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
NMHS_Principal: |
@plugusin The vision will change from school to school; key is clear articulation #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
RT @EricTownsley: N order 2 assess learning, tchrs must b trusted as tchrs & professionals, not just delivers of content.//Go Eric! #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
Digin4ed: |
In the end we need to demonstrate competency of a student that is measurable by skill/subject/ etc that is understandable by others. #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
tperran: |
RT @thart74: School district that has done away with grade levels. http://bit.ly/2ydB0k #edchat I like this idea! |
| 11:25 pm |
radicalgeek: |
@monk51295 Learning should not only be student-centered, but student-directed. If they don't own their learning, they're not engaged #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
rugcernie: |
RT @journalproject: @cybraryman1 parents/teachers/students/admin working collaboratively requires mutual respect & understanding #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
KevinByers: |
RT @ksivick RT @MrMusselman: Eliminating grade levels might allow us to promote student only after they showed progress/mastery.#edchat YES! |
| 11:25 pm |
kylepace: |
@plugusin It does depend on stakeholder group. Have to raise an army of support and advocates. #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
fiteach: |
RT @EricTownsley: in order to assess learning, tchrs must be trusted as teachers and professionals, not seen as just delivers of content. #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
theprofspage: |
RT @Philip_Cummings: RT @EricTownsley: N order 2 assess learning, tchrs must b trusted as tchrs & professionals, not just delivers of content.//Go Eric! #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
cusilleee: |
Who determines mastery? @ksivick Eliminating grade levels might allow us to promote only after they showed progress/mastery. Agree? #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
journalproject: |
RT @jlangtello: @journalproject why is the community that the school is in not make your list?<-communities as well #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
web20classroom: |
@joe_bower Oh believe me I don't but I don't want people to think that their removal would fix everything b/c it won't. #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
theprofspage: |
RT @akamrt: RT @radicalgeek: @plugusin Until we let tchrs tch radically differently, fail, then learn from failures, they have no responsibility #edchat |
| 11:25 pm |
ksivick: |
@PaulWHankins response to "I don't know".." That may be, now let's make sure you DO know " :) #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
thebookjournal: |
@PaulWHankins I don't like when people say I don't know either #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
Reason why ed reform struggles is that everyone-dif. tchrs, prnts, admin, stdnts-have vary in the degree to which rfrm needs 2 hppn #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
evmaiden: |
#edchat RT@NMHS_Principal: The vision will change from school to school; key is clear articulation |
| 11:26 pm |
gfred33: |
RT @mmkrill: Education needs to be more individualized and personalized for students. #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
djainslie: |
RT @shawdave: so... Ready students + relevant curriculum + new delivery + new assessment methods = reformed education.<yes #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
DeputyMitchell: |
@web20classroom #edchat who will have a love for learning that will be life long! They'll need to learn and possibly retrain often! |
| 11:26 pm |
jlangtello: |
#edchat why not bust down the walls of the coventional school and include the community as another assessment tool? |
| 11:26 pm |
usamimi74: |
RT @shawdave: Ready students + relevant curriculum + new delivery + new assessment method = reformed ed. Let's get started! #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
Where do parents fit into this discussion? #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
theprofspage: |
@tomwhitby @akamrt We do have to produce something - the future members of society! #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@theprofspage All people are born with need to learn, that is innate. It is taken from us by school. Self-respect is harder to gain #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
foustmusic: |
@jasontbedell I used portfolios in music...a great way to assess and involve the student in the assessment process #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
web20classroom: |
@paulawhite Getting teachers ready to take on more of the responsibility for reform...they need to take the first step #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
theprofspage: |
RT @usamimi74: RT @shawdave: Ready students + relevant curriculum + new delivery + new assessment method = reformed ed. Let's get started! #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
monk51295: |
@radicalgeek - yeah - i meant that... i'm bad at buzz words #edchat |
| 11:26 pm |
melhutch: |
RT @DeputyMitchell: @web20classroom #edchat who will have a love for learning that will be life long! They'll need to learn and possibly retrain often! |
| 11:27 pm |
KevinByers: |
@tperran That's my district. Info found here sbs.adams50.org and here wiki.adams50.org #edchat We based out work off of RISC in Alaska |
| 11:27 pm |
DonaKimberly: |
RT @thart74: School district that has done away with grade levels. http://bit.ly/2ydB0k #edchat <--Y age/grd matter? Place where sucsfl G8 |
| 11:27 pm |
theprofspage: |
RT @jlangtello: #edchat why not bust down the walls of the coventional school and include the community as another assessment tool? |
| 11:27 pm |
thart74: |
School district that has done away with grade levels - http://www.sbsadams50.org/content/ #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
gfred33: |
@foustmusic Maybe but lets hope there are more great teachers than 1 or 2 per building! #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
concretekax: |
@tomwhitby There is an education industry-it's textbook companies and testing companies #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
dtitle: |
politicians got no clue, look at NCLB, we ignore the child's right behind and look at the left behind, of course it's half-assed #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
mmkrill: |
.@kylepace I say vision is most important from @nmhs_principal. Without vision - nothing to follow through. #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
web20classroom: |
@DeputyMitchell Exactly! #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
akamrt: |
@tomwhitby But this is something that isn't quantifiable. Prob begins w/ politicians have convinced public they can't trust tchrs. #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
AmyJ2323: |
RT Philip_Cummings- Where do parents fit into this discussion? #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
zecool: |
I like that one. RT @stevebarkley: What about teams of teachers focused on groups of students meeting standards #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
jasontbedell: |
@foustmusic What I'm have trouble with is that gov requires proof. How do we have individualized standardized assessments? #edchat #oxymoron |
| 11:27 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
Does education need a complete overhaul, or do we just need admin that will actually confront the problematic 2% of tchrs? #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
millerblair: |
@radicalgeek @plugusin Wouldn't we have to allow students to learn in radically different ways, fail & learn from failures too?! #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
gameclassroom: |
@radicalgeek Agreed. The current climate in education that promotes a fear of failure also prevents innovation and change #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
& iPad app makers. RT @concretekax: @tomwhitby There is an education industry-its textbook companies and testing companies #edchat |
| 11:27 pm |
bjnichols: |
The key to reforming schools begins like an assignment. You have to define what quality is first so people know what it looks like #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
djainslie: |
@mmkrill yes vision is key- then creating relationships so that all parties trust one another to work towards change #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
tonnet: |
RT @VanessaSCassie: Does education need a complete overhaul, or do we just need admin that will actually confront the problematic 2% of tchrs? #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
laroncarter: |
RT @shawdave: so... Ready students + relevant curriculum + new delivery + new assmnt methods = reformed edu. Let's get started! #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
kylepace: |
Seeing lots of chat about standardized testing. Last time I checked, I don't test the same way as everyone else. #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
PaulWHankins: |
Portfolios + Project Based Learning allow the student to show what they know and how they know it. No place for collage on I-STEP. #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
theprofspage: |
@mbcampbell360 What do I do if my student doesn't want to learn what he needs to graduate high school? #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
AmyJ2323: |
@mmkrill Agreed. You can't have one without the other. Vision and follow through are equally integral. #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
amychim: |
@dtitle #edchat and some of the left behind chose never to come to school or do homework |
| 11:28 pm |
AntHeald: |
RT @PaulWHankins: I had teacher who refused "I don't know" as a response. She would counter, "You do know" #edchat <or suppose you did know? |
| 11:28 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@mmkrill Agreed, but too often ed reform vision is too grandiose without specifics and reality factored in #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
wmchamberlain: |
In 1905,Theodore Roosevelt gave his inaugural speech. He said, "We are the heirs of the ages" what do we want to leave to our heirs? #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
#edchat Isn't there an iPad app that can solve the ed reform problem? |
| 11:28 pm |
tperran: |
@KevinByers Thank you. I'll look into it #edchat |
| 11:28 pm |
tomwhitby: |
@theprofspage That'll happen with or w/o education. We need to develop people with the ability to learn & act, not mindlessly react #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
jasontbedell: |
@kylepace I don't test at all, but that doesn't mean my kids don't have too. #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
KevinByers: |
@thart74 This has been our first year of major reform. Very difficult. Many people drag their feet. #edchat http://sbs.adams50.org |
| 11:29 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
RT @EricTownsley: in order to assess learning, tchrs must be trusted as teachers and professionals, not seen as just delivers of content. #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
Digin4ed: |
TY 4 link RT @thart74 School district that has done away with grade levels - http://www.sbsadams50.org/content/ #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
lhiltbr: |
RT @tperran: RT @thart74: School district that has done away with grade levels. http://bit.ly/2ydB0k #edchat I like this idea! |
| 11:29 pm |
ksivick: |
@cusilleee Mastery may not be the best choice of words... level of skills that will prepare the student to be a lifelong learner #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
akamrt: |
@theprofspage #edchat We don't produce them. We architect lrning environ & then walk through it w/ them as a mentor. They produce themselves |
| 11:29 pm |
richardschwarz: |
@theprofspage You're assuming that the community has the a)time and b)ability to assess students-in my exp. this is not always true. #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
evmaiden: |
RT @gameclassroom @radicalgeek Agreed. The current climate in edu that promotes fear of failure also prevents innovation & change #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
web20classroom: |
@VanessaSCassie Bingo! Teachers and admin willing to admit there is a problem and fix it. Its way past time to worry about feelings #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
theprofspage: |
@BrianStPierre Sorry. The fact that our principal is getting fired makes me sad. And a lil bit of hope is lost in the edu system. #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
tbfurman: |
we're have to come to terms with the dissonance between wanting national standards and not wanting national curriculum #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
KevinByers: |
#edchat When reform is difficult, people want to return to what there was before... even if it didn't work. |
| 11:29 pm |
melhutch: |
@akamrt Do you still think it rings true that teachers value is represented in their low salaries? Would raising salaries do much? #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
WendyE40: |
@misterlamb all sorts of ways to personalize etc. Just worry about deciding too early about who takes what type of courses/tracking #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
djainslie: |
@TheNerdyTeacher there should be an app for that... #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
wmchamberlain: |
Can we affect "the ages" by debating ed reform on a small scale? #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
joe_bower: |
@DouglasCrets I care cuz where the American dog shakes, the Canadian tail wags. Canada is US's reform shadow. That's why I care. #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
bjnichols: |
@thart74 People who doing great work in schools currently. People making a difference in the lives of kids. That would be a start #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
LOL! RT @TheNerdyTeacher: #edchat Isnt there an iPad app that can solve the ed reform problem? #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
Casillia: |
Lottery could save education http://shar.es/mqXmD #sarcasm #edchat |
| 11:29 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
HAHA! Steve Jobs is working on it... RT @TheNerdyTeacher: Isnt there an iPad app that can solve the ed reform problem? #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
amychim: |
#edchat my reform would b for my speds.bring back more voc training and stop pressures of college.NOT every child is college bound |
| 11:30 pm |
web20classroom: |
RT @KevinByers: #edchat When reform is difficult, people want to return to what there was before... even if it didnt work. #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
usamimi74: |
RT @KevinByers: #edchat When reform is difficult, people want to return to what there was before... even if it didn't work. |
| 11:30 pm |
jasontbedell: |
RT @tbfurman: we're have to come to terms with the dissonance between wanting national standards and not wanting national curriculum #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@bjnichols Fantastic! Backwards Plan it - start with our outcomes and work to our process #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
joe_bower: |
RT @fiteach: @DouglasCrets Usually what comes to the US follows for us Cdns. Also, we just care about kids. Can't speak for @joe_bower tho. #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
tonnet: |
@kylepace To me edreform goes beyond testing. It's a neuralgic point, but different policies need to be in place. #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
laroncarter: |
@EricTownsley I hear you teacher are classified as highly qualifyied, should = trusted, at least qualified, huh #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
21stprincipal: |
Areas of needed reform in high schools: curriculum, structures, culture #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
wmchamberlain: |
#edchat Isn't it time we bring this debate out to the "front channel"? |
| 11:30 pm |
IanYorston: |
> @foustmusic "do best teachers end up as administrators?" > @web20classroom "Many leave profession." Many stay in classroom ! - #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
theprofspage: |
@richardschwarz As my kids say, "Jam!" But the comm must be involved in their lives on some level. We need organization! #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
tbfurman: |
standards divorced from curriculum sets up apples-to-oranges assessment. It's designed to divide us. #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
akamrt: |
@MrMusselman #edchat LOL yes, but media broadcasts them, rarely tchrs. They make prescriptive policy that dumbs down sch. |
| 11:30 pm |
tomwhitby: |
@concretekax We have the means to teach w/o textbooks. We need to get the culture to realize that. Saves Millions $$$ #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
@theprofspage where im at they are laying off 15-20 tchrs & the superintendent is retiring w/ $800,000 package #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
theprofspage: |
@akamrt What happens when they don't produce anything? #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@bjnichols agree with assignment idea, believe question is what does society want educations to do? #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
jlangtello: |
RT @theprofspage: @mbcampbell360 What do I do if my student doesn't want to learn what he needs to graduate high school? #edchat |
| 11:30 pm |
gfred33: |
If you can't explain how the subject matter applies to real life then it shouldn't be in the curriculum. #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
AmyJ2323: |
Reform equals change. Change is the desire to do something different. We must not fear change! #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@theprofspage In some cases now, nothing. School has failed many students. School isn't about learning, it is about hegemony #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
KevinByers: |
I'll post on my blog soon about our first year of major reform in our district http://sbsadams50.org #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
fiteach: |
I think that 1 thing that needs 2 B done is 2 match the way that standardized tsting happens w/ the way we R supposed 2 teach. #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
K12Live: |
RT @wmchamberlain: #edchat Isn't it time we bring this debate out to the "front channel"? |
| 11:31 pm |
wmchamberlain: |
@djhein70 Teacher organizations first responsibility is to the teachers. We need to talk about students! #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
PaulWHankins: |
The best lessons start with an essential question. What essential question is answered by "all students will read _____________?" #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
kylepace: |
RT @web20classroom: RT @KevinByers: When reform is difficult, ppl want to return to what there was before... even if it didnt work. #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
melhutch: |
Anyone else feeling overwhelmed and pessimistic? #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
pammoran: |
what would have to shift inlearning spaces to make curr,assess, & instr accessible to all learners? role of tchrs? learners? tech? #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
zecool: |
RT @thart74: School district that has done away with grade levels. http://www.sbsadams50.org/content/ #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@web20classroom @KevinByers But who decides what "doesn't work". Some stdnts thrive in dif. environments #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
RT @tomwhitby: @concretekax We have the means to teach w/o textbooks. We need to get the culture to realize that. Saves Millions $$$ #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
djainslie: |
RT @gfred33: If you cant explain how the sub matter applies to real life then it shouldnt be in the curri.< yes but who decides? #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
amychim: |
#edchat i do not believe in national curr. /standard. Each state has diff. life styles. |
| 11:31 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@bjnichols current education system built to produce workers for industrial age - factory workers, etc. not the need nor useful now. #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
21stprincipal: |
high school problems: drop outs, safety, career preparation, college preparation, #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
AmyJ2323: |
RT @gred33 If you can't explain how the subject matter applies to real life then it shouldn't be in the curriculum. #edchat |
| 11:31 pm |
paulawhite: |
@joe_bower he asks that question yet declates you one of the best educational tweeters. :-) http://bit.ly/b1mIGA #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
usamimi74: |
@21stprincipal how do u reform culture?????? #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
tbfurman: |
and assesment data should be coupled with investment data, community stress data, and population-movement data. #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
#edchat Where do we go from here? Is this something that should be addressed on the national, state or local level? |
| 11:32 pm |
akamrt: |
@melhutch #edchat Good question. R society determines value by salary. It may not change tchrs but it might changes societies perceptions. |
| 11:32 pm |
kylepace: |
@jasontbedell Right, but we can't expect all to demonstrate mastery the same way. I like your portfolio idea. #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
tonnet: |
"School has failed many students. School isnt about learning, it is about hegemony." »via @mbcampbell360 #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
megormi: |
Part of reform has to be giving up the "this is the way we do it here" theme #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
MrMusselman: |
@IanYorston Funny how we struggle to eval tchrs quantifiably, but can point out great teachers in our schools w/out hesitation. #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
mmkrill: |
.@VanessaSCassie True, once vision is in place- set goals and define action steps toward goal. Keep goals aligned to vision. #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
lhiltbr: |
So many new, energetic tchrs want to teach. any1 else think we shld employ twice as many & give smlr grps/students indv. attention? #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
We have an odd desire when something doesn't work to try it more; with more money, more research, more people. #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
djainslie: |
@melhutch yeah- have to look at what I can impact and count my successes that way- one at a time #edchat |
| 11:32 pm |
theprofspage: |
@mbcampbell360 We talked about feudalism today. Very similar...#edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
bjnichols: |
@Digin4ed Exactly...The system should be set up to make a difference in society. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
ErgoEdTech: |
@DeputyMitchell Ultimatly we want ...students who are creators of content, who understand learning... #edchat <<Yes, critical thinkers!! |
| 11:33 pm |
DeputyMitchell: |
#edchat How would schools show how happy/safe/enthused/engaged their pupils are to their community? |
| 11:33 pm |
dtitle: |
The purpose of public ed: pass the culture onto next generation, if the culture's views don't change, neither will the schools. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
Mamacita: |
I don't think you can cure most school problems by throwing money at them. We need to change priorities before budgets. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
joe_bower: |
Only the most remarkable educators know that between achievement on test scores and real learning. R not same thing #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
shawdave: |
"But we've always done it THIS way!" #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
WendyE40: |
#edchat Just listened to Brain Rules author John Medena talk about all learning being relational. Where does that fit into reform? |
| 11:33 pm |
Digin4ed: |
When reform is very different from what has been done, great fear is generated and people in power are risk averse. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
wmchamberlain: |
@melhutch We have a greater ability now to affect change if we get organizd.Our networks can be the backbone of a nation wide reform.#edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
IanYorston: |
@web20classroom Challenge is to develop & share best practice. That means letting teachers take risks. Most schools are risk averse. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
All communitites not created equally. Some students come to get away from community. Tchrs must model community . #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
laroncarter: |
@melhutch: overwhelmed and pessimistic? For sure. That's when we have to choick your fight and dig in. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
21stprincipal: |
@usamimi74 reforming a school's culture us one of the biggest problems to tackle #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
radicalgeek: |
@21stprincipal Stdnts need to be guided to direct own lrning. Tchrs can't be conductors & expect to help all play a diff tune. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
Did anybody invite @BarackObama to this chat? #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
thart74: |
Frustrated! @melhutch Anyone else feeling overwhelmed and pessimistic? #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
richardschwarz: |
@kylepace Exactly - I don't test well. Nor are exams 'real-world'. I prefer mix of assignments and exams. Help stu.'s learn to learn #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
GBrothersJr: |
RT @thenerdyteacher: RT @mbcampbell360 @tomwhitby Teachers and schools have become the scapegoat for problems in our culture #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
tomwhitby: |
@melhutch You cant feel pesemistic. We can only go up from here. Take heart. We will move forward. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
BAoki: |
#edchat topic today is edu reform - @twhitby @web20classroom you may have to do this one again - smokin' hot topic :) |
| 11:33 pm |
PaulWHankins: |
@melhutch Embrace pessimism: 1/2 the time I'm right. The other 1/2f, I'm not disappointed by what happened. Not mine, but it works. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
getsweetie: |
#edchat There is a considerable differ in the know needed for success in each culture...but thinking/ math/ rdg processes are universal |
| 11:33 pm |
web20classroom: |
RT @IanYorston: Challenge is to develop & share best practice. That means letting teachers take risks. Most schools are risk averse. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
Imagine a world in which everything you did was tested ad nauseum. How would you like it? Now think about your students. #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
zecool: |
#edchat Many valid points made by all. Focus is on student and learning and teaching. Of course, all of this leveraged by technology, right? |
| 11:33 pm |
tonnet: |
RT @TrudyNorton: All communitites not created equally. Some students come to get away from community. Tchrs must model community . #edchat |
| 11:33 pm |
melhutch: |
@lhiltbr More teachers- and more teacher leaders/ mentors/ facilitators- is a must #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
evmaiden: |
#edchat @mbcampbell360: or to the double up on what hasn't been working so far |
| 11:34 pm |
wmchamberlain: |
@tonnet How do we change that? It won't come here, we have to get the message out. #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
Collecting Data is great, but they heck do they really do with it. Answer = Nothing. #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
amychim: |
@AmyJ2323 @gred33 #edchat subj matter must apply to real life. my students do not need four years of math or even alg. they need life skills |
| 11:34 pm |
akamrt: |
@theprofspage #edchat If we r allowed to tch and create real lrning environs I believe they will succeed. Failure is not a bad thing! |
| 11:34 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
RT @lhiltbr So many new, energetic tchrs want to teach. any1 else think we shld employ twice as many & give smlr grps attention? #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@theprofspage In a way, nothing has changed since then (and even earlier) #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
EricTownsley: |
.@laroncarter yes. very true. where did that trust get lost? #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
thart74: |
Hey isn't that the definition of insanity?? @shawdave "But we've always done it THIS way!" #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
theprofspage: |
@radicalgeek @21stprincipal As a 1st yr tchr, I fear I deal more with clssrm mngmnt and behavioral probs than actual learning. #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
joe_bower: |
Education reform that is driven by non-educators is like agriculture reform being driven by Billy Crystal. Curly would not approve #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@bjnichols For todays & more importantly, tomorrows society, structural changes will be needed, not incremental ones. #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
shawdave: |
A journey .... begins with one step. What one step toward reform can I take next Monday when I return to work? #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
melhutch: |
Great responses- feeling more optimistic by the moment! #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
jlangtello: |
. @DeputyMitchell By also letting that community be a part of the school - openness #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
akamrt: |
@theprofspage #edchat Failure us a more powerful tchr than success. Failure can be beautiful. |
| 11:34 pm |
web20classroom: |
@BAoki Yea its pretty big and major...too much for an hour of discussion.... #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
laroncarter: |
@tomwhitby Good point about only option is to go up from here. #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
theprofspage: |
@mbcampbell360 I've heard that often. Maybe another edchat? #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
RT @VanessaSCassie: Does education need a complete overhaul, or do we just need admin that will actually confront the problematic 2% of tchrs? #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
I've solved the issue for ed reform! Let tchrs be professionals, make their own decisions and continue doing good work :) #edchat |
| 11:34 pm |
getsweetie: |
Most "big picture" change only comes after consistent small steps are consistently achieved where you are with what you have #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
shawdave: |
@thart74 yup. #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
foustmusic: |
@Philip_Cummings I'm in D.C...I'll go down the street, knock on the door and tell him to join in! haha #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
ksivick: |
My ideal school - ~500 K-12, family atmosphere, everyone is known, levels based on skls not age. Major school wide projects 2X yr #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
liza_cheteh: |
i like this one ::RT @bjnichols: Education should be about opportunities & options for all kids. #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
RT @millerblair: @radicalgeek @plugusin Wouldn't we have to allow students to learn in radically different ways, fail & learn from failures too?! #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
stangea: |
@joe_bower You don't have to be remarkable to understand that discrepancy, what is remarkable is challenging it successfully #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
mzmacky: |
If i were re-forming... I'd start with the end in mind.. what is an educated citizen? I don't think we have much agreement on that #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
tbfurman: |
curriculum isn't driven by lifestyle. Science is science, math is math. @amychim #edchat Communities can disagree on values. |
| 11:35 pm |
theprofspage: |
@VanessaSCassie No more money? ;) #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@evmaiden Exactly, we never seem to want to abandon our experiments and try something new #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
I would like to see more mentoring programs in schools for new teachers. The support could save some from leaving. #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
KennethLibby: |
RT @VanessaSCassie: RT @TheNerdyTeacher: RT @thomasjwest: You cant have ed reform without social reform. #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
getsweetie: |
It may be a cliche but becoming the change you seek truly has effect ....not only for yourself but for your learners #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
EricTownsley: |
@Philip_Cummings when did the trust of teachers get lost? When Washington got too involved? #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
shawdave: |
We enjoy talking about this, then talking about talking about this .... what one thing could one do to start the ball? #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
KennethLibby: |
RT @VanessaSCassie: What a novel idea! RT @TheNerdyTeacher: How about putting actual teachers in charge of Ed reform. Think that might help? #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@theprofspage Oops! That would help too :) #edchat |
| 11:35 pm |
evemarfil: |
Rt @laroncarter RT @shawdave:so...Ready students+relevant curriculum+new delivery+new assmnt methods=reformed edu Let's get started! #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
monk51295: |
you guys know of this? kids drive learning http://www.students20.com/ #edchat - cool yes? we should fill it w/kids, then us |
| 11:36 pm |
shawdave: |
gimme something concrete, please #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
soulful1: |
whats the topic #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
zecool: |
Cool! Othr subjects could 2 RT @foustmusic I used portfolios in music. great way to assess and involve student in assessment process #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
tonnet: |
@joe_bower Unfortunately that's why reforms fail. No educators opinion taken into consideration. We need to reverse that. #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
tperran: |
RT @mzmacky: If i were re-forming... I'd start with the end in mind.. what is an educated citizen? not much agreement on that #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
Let me know how that goes! :)RT @foustmusic: @Philip_Cummings Im n D.C...Ill go down street, knock on door & tell him 2 join n! #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
pammoran: |
isn't a shift to distributed leadership system versus tiered leadership important in an in-formed new form of education? #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
melhutch: |
@IanYorston Agree with risk taking- but also with empowerment and support- #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
joe_bower: |
Asking tchrs 2 engage in performance assessment & move away from M/C tests is tough on them while huge class sizes & curric dominate #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
RT @getsweetie: Most "big picture" change only comes after consistent small steps R consistently achieved whr U R w/ wht U have #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@tomwhitby teaching w/o textbks - depends on how done, Ive seen miserable implementations, tons of un-integrated copies of bits, #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
djainslie: |
RT @mzmacky: If i were re-forming Id start with the end in mind what is an edu citizen? I dont think we have much agreement on that #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
getsweetie: |
I began teaching simply because I wanted students in inner city settings/ barrio areas to know that their teacher WANTED to be there #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
usamimi74: |
RT @akamrt: @theprofspage #edchat If we r allowed2 tch N create real lrning environs I believe they will succeed. Failure isnt bad thing! |
| 11:36 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
In any self-replicating ecosystem, change must be introduced from the top. We need to prevent the replication of these norms #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
Mamacita: |
Schools now forced into roles decent parents are supposed to fulfill.This takes up time & resources then not avail for teaching. #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
ksivick: |
Every affluent school should feel an obligation to partner with a poor school...model social responsibility #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
mdprier: |
RT @stevejmoore: high school teachers need to teach students not subjects #edchat /via @21stprincipal |
| 11:36 pm |
laroncarter: |
@EricTownsley Trust and any number of things probably get lost when we loose focus and confidence or didn't have a plan 4 starter. #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
spedteacher: |
@tbfurman Science, math and the rest are artificial arbitrary divisions of holistic knowledge. The divisions make little sense. #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
AntHeald: |
@shawdave Think of that teacher who inspired you, who did things differently, and try to do the same (only your way). #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
IanYorston: |
@MrMusselman Great lessons are easy to identify. Students ask interesting questions; have sense of wonder; confidence to challenge. #edchat |
| 11:36 pm |
tomwhitby: |
Since education is a common experience to most Americans, most Americans claim expertise. #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
dtitle: |
@VanessaSCassie If teachers want to be accepted as professionals then they'd better police own ranks & not foist this on admin! #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
jlangtello: |
. @zecool Sadly cannot be a major focus yet, there are still so many w/out. or does that make your case stronger? #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
getsweetie: |
So many times the message are learners are receiving is that learning doesn't matter where funding is concerned #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
monk51295: |
and this http://school2school.ning.com/ - let's let kids get together and make change happen #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
tonnet: |
@soulful1 "Where should we place our efforts 4 ed. reform? What is most important/least important?" #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
akamrt: |
#edchat It may b simple but huge reform would b to stop punishing stus for learning. Learning involves failure and stus r punished for it |
| 11:37 pm |
arosey: |
@TheNerdyTeacher Mentoring programs for administrators, too. Get innovative teachers moving into leadership roles. #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
lhiltbr: |
#edchat Isn't what's needed in ed. reform going 2 vary among communities? Ed. is a community-based endeavor. Culture & values = huge. |
| 11:37 pm |
joe_bower: |
@stangea touché, Allan. Touché #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
My suggestion for somethign to do: mentor the next generation of teachers while they are stdnt tchrs. Show them what ed can be #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
@EricTownsley And yet education is a national interest, how can we get their funding & support w/o the baggage? #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
stangea: |
@tomwhitby in fairness we should not dismiss the potential insights and creativity of those not immersed in the system, #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
rroysden: |
RT @TheNerdyTeacher:I would like to c more mentoring programs in schools for new teachers. The support could save some from leaving. #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
joe_bower: |
RT @tonnet: @joe_bower Unfortunately that's why reforms fail. No educators opinion taken into consideration. We need to reverse that. #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
megormi: |
What is one thing each of could do to help with reform? Nothing too small. I will set higher expectations for my teachers in PD #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
usamimi74: |
RT @Mamacita: Schools now forced into roles decent parentsR supposed 2 fulfill. takes up time & resource then not avail 4 teachin #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@tomwhitby - I agree. I think that is the problem with most school boards. #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
mmkrill: |
RT @arosey: @TheNerdyTeacher Mentoring programs for administrators, too. Get innovative teachers moving into leadership roles. #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
jlangtello: |
haha, Curly!? #edchat |
| 11:37 pm |
bjnichols: |
@VanessaSCassie I almost agree with ur model. I believe u support & get out of the way of great teachers & get rid of bad ones. #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
evmaiden: |
#edchat @tomwhitby or have a vague recollection of the "good ol' days" = back when they were in school :) |
| 11:38 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@arosey - Yes. More admins need to be shown how to lead just as teachers do as well. #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
gfred33: |
@TheNerdyTeacher Or how about having them in the classroom for most of their college years. #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
Digin4ed: |
I think educators need to be key players, but not in charge of ed reform. #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
foustmusic: |
If we can't teach kids to think like scientists, artists...then school is a waste of time after elementary school- H. Gardner #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
tonnet: |
RT @wmchamberlain: @tonnet How do we change that? It won't come here, we have to get the message out. #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
RT @ksivick: Every affluent school should feel an obligation to partner with a poor school...model social responsibility #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
BAoki: |
Q for teachers/administors: Are there simple things you'd like to see the private sector do, to help edu? #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@dtitle In theory, yes, but in all other professions with hierarchy, those at the 'top' police police their staff #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
getsweetie: |
What frustrates me personally is so many times teachers aren't given access to what IS available for free #edchat SM/Skype/Vimeo etc |
| 11:38 pm |
shawdave: |
@AntHeald i Am a teacher because of those who inspired me, my parents, my band directors. I channel them regularly from the podium #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
arosey: |
@joe_bower Tough with state-mandated assessments to prepare for, as well. #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
evemarfil: |
Each school is a community with its own particular "personality", climate and needs. So no place for one-size fits all! #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
WendyE40: |
RT @tomwhitby: Since education is a common experience to most Americans, most Americans claim expertise. #edchat So true and so frustrating |
| 11:38 pm |
tomwhitby: |
@Digin4ed Teaching without textbooks can only be successful with teacher training. Most have never done it. #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
K12Live: |
@lhiltbr Great observation on reform "ability" varying across platforms of communities. #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
careerday_2010: |
RT @web20classroom: RT @IanYorston: Challenge is to develop & share best practice. That means letting teachers take risks. Most schools are risk averse. #edchat |
| 11:38 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
Mention the iPad & immediately receive spam. So you know. #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
web20classroom: |
RT @BAoki: Q for teachers/administors: Are there simple things youd like to see the private sector do, to help edu? #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
21stprincipal: |
create high school culture that genuinely cares about students, wants them to succeed and does not let them fail #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
KevinByers: |
@VanessaSCassie Student apathy, low graduation,high drop out,a troubled community are all indicators of a system that isn't working. #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@bjnichols OK, amendment #2: get rid of the bad teachers to make way for the great ones! :) #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
tonnet: |
Why? RT @Digin4ed I think educators need to be key players, but not in charge of ed reform. #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
theprofspage: |
@BAoki Offer free technology and computer programs for curriculum enhancement! #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
mrsdanastpierre: |
RT @WendyE40: RT @tomwhitby: Since education is a common experience to most Americans, most Americans claim expertise. #edchat So true and so frustrating |
| 11:39 pm |
K12Live: |
RT @getsweetie: What frustrates me personally is so many times teachers aren't given access to what IS available for free #edchat SM/Skype/Vimeo etc |
| 11:39 pm |
wmchamberlain: |
#edchat It is a shame we allow people that send their kids to private schools to make decisions about public schools. #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
K12Live: |
RT @getsweetie: So many times the message are learners are receiving is that learning doesn't matter where funding is concerned #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
Mamacita: |
We need to show students they can get out of bad environments via education, not encourage them to stay w. freebies & low standards. #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
nathanpitt: |
Integration! @tbfurman Science, math and the rest are artificial arbitrary divisions of holistic knowledge. #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
evemarfil: |
Redesigning education? A must read! « Brain Art and Education» Antonio and Hanna Damasio http://bit.ly/9KV73g #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
megormi: |
RT @k20: @megormi so true! Also giving up preconceptions of online learning. Most of what I learn today is online #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
MrMusselman: |
Sympathetic to admins who are bound by gov. red-tape that fails to encourage risk-taking for greater edu rewards #edchat |
| 11:39 pm |
Luke1946: |
#edchat student-teaching as it currently exists needs to be totally re-vamped, college supervisors are too far removed from the K-12 world |
| 11:39 pm |
BritishRT: |
#edchat take away the blinkered league tables in the UK schools will have the freedom to do the RIGHT thing for their pupils |
| 11:39 pm |
mmkrill: |
@shawdave Become an administrator - start your own school - help others move toward being student centered... #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
ksivick: |
RT @tenprincipal: @ksivick Not only do teachers have a hard time with change, so do parents.--why need a family atmosphere at schl #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
It's lk the ppl in charge R afraid 2 admit the car is broken & keep filling it w/ kids & wonder y they dont get anywhere. #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
djainslie: |
mentoring does work- about creating relationships and trust- most will be willing to look towards change with right support #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
jlangtello: |
gotta run, #edchat and dinner wasn't even burnt! awesome talking to Yuns! |
| 11:40 pm |
soulful1: |
Gracias @tonnet extra money paid to teachers willing to go into areas that need diversity in teachers the most. works both ways. #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@KevinByers Right, but it's the overall system structure that is broken, not necessarily teaching... #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
usamimi74: |
@21stprincipal is there nothing to learn from failures??? #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@bjnichols How do you define a good versus bad teacher? Give standardized tests to the stdnts?? #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
amychim: |
@tbfurman #edchat but do all stu. need 4 years of math, 3 years of science, and 4 years of english.my stu do not have time for voc training |
| 11:40 pm |
IanYorston: |
@MrMusselman All teachers need to do is to spark that sense of wonder. And encourage Socratic conversation. Instead of teaching ! #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
djainslie: |
A great admin with great teacher leaders can achieve reform #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
bjnichols: |
@BAoki I'd ove to see more partnering of the private sector & schools to help close the relevance gap in education. #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
evmaiden: |
RT @21stprincipal create high school culture that genuinely cares about students, wants them to succeed and does not let them fail #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@DonaKimberly list is kinds of small, perhaps biggest is chance for state/national recognition. #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
@BAoki yes, how about pay to bus their own students, rather than have it come out of the public schools budgets #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
Mamacita: |
Too many admin. fear tech & change, for they know nothing of it and the unknown is viewed as a job threat. #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
melhutch: |
@thenerdyteacher But then you see some cars just humming along- we should look at the ones that work #edchat |
| 11:40 pm |
laroncarter: |
@tomwhitby Expertise "humor" gotta laugh at reality sometimes. #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
EricTownsley: |
@Philip_Cummings don't know if there's a good answer, but getting leadership there with a focused plan w/o st. testing #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
theprofspage: |
@akamrt If failure is beautiful, my school is drop-dead gorgeous! less than 60% grad rate for the past three yrs. #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
tbfurman: |
assessment isn't going away. It's here to stay. we have 50 tests assessing 50 standard-sets, and thousands of different curricula #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
foustmusic: |
I like the charter school model...local control, easier response to local climate. I've seen some GREAT charter schools! #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
megormi: |
RT @Luke1946: #edchat student-teaching as it currently exists needs to be totally re-vamped, college supervisors are too far removd from k12 |
| 11:41 pm |
spedteacher: |
@djainslie What do you mean by reform? That's the most overused word in education! #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
fiteach: |
Or help them get better. RT @VanessaSCassie: @bjnichols ...get rid of the bad teachers to make way for the great ones! :) #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
mzmacky: |
@wmchamberlain why would you think parents of private school stdts are any less interested in doing what's right for public schools? #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
ksivick: |
If you're great, please don't become an admin, come and teach my kids! :) #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@evmaiden @21stprincipal But first we need to define "success" #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
RT @mzmacky: If i were re-forming... I'd start with the end in mind.. what is an educated citizen? I don't think we have much agreement on that #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
GBrothersJr: |
@thenerdyteacher think it has to be a combo. Some national stnds, state, and finally local. Funding and guidlines are issues #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
jlangtello: |
RT @IanYorston: @MrMusselman All teachers need to do is to spark that sense of wonder. And encourage Socratic conversation. Instead of teaching ! #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@wmchamberlain #edchat Great point. We had a school board member that sent his kid to a private school. WTF is that about? |
| 11:41 pm |
KevinByers: |
@VanessaSCassie I totally agree. Even great teachers can't be as successful as they should be if they are part of a broken system #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@DonaKimberly definitely a lot of risks to educators for taking risks. #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
rroysden: |
RT @djainslie: A great admin with great teacher leaders can achieve reform #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
getsweetie: |
The internet has torn down the wall between excellent educators and the isolation in districts w/o strong PD/ materials/cohorts #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
monk51295: |
new standard - 1. access, 2. pln for teacher, 3. pln for student #edchat |
| 11:41 pm |
gfred33: |
RT @Luke1946: #edchat std-tching as it currently exists needs to be totally re-vamped, coll supers. are too far removed from the K-12 world |
| 11:41 pm |
dtitle: |
@VanessaSCassie yes top teachers, not admin, poor teachers hide behind tenure & we do nothing: will never be seen as professionals #Edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
shawdave: |
@mmkrill but no one asking, so far #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
DonaKimberly: |
What's fair is not equal; what's equal is not fair. #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
Mamacita: |
When teachers must spend so much time disciplining those who do not wish to be there, how can we expect real students to advance? #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
Funny to me that all the success stories are different. Diff. people doing different things, but then we mandate 1 size for all. #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@fiteach Good point -- but be willing to admit defeat if all avenues are exhausted :) #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
mmkrill: |
Build partnerships? http://bit.ly/9RkP4X #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
kylepace: |
@Luke1946 At least that's how I remember it! #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
K12Live: |
@BritishRT You are truly blessed to operate with autonomy for learning where it counts - students. #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
tonnet: |
RT @mzmacky: If i were re-forming... I'd start with the end in mind.. what is an educated citizen? I don't think we have much agreement on that #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
MrMusselman: |
@ksivick If you're great, please become a mentor, and teach more teachers your ways! #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
melhutch: |
@spedteacher Oh this is good- rather reform we might mean transform? #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@melhutch - Exactly. It's ok for the US to model a system after one that works. It's a good idea. #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
djainslie: |
I don't think money is the motivator for great teachers- the ones I know are driven by the love of the craft #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
pammoran: |
in-formed curr reflect cult/polit/econ/soci competencies 2 support learners who live in global community&will work in global econ #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@dtitle Ok, now I understand your point! I changed my mind...I agree with you =) #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
tperran: |
RT @djainslie: I don't think money is the motivator for great teachers- the ones I know are driven by the love of the craft #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
web20classroom: |
I still just wondering, among everything that we think is wrong...are there bright spots. Where has changed happened? Whats working? #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
phsprincipal: |
If we in education abdicate our role as leaders of reform, we deserve what we get. We must seize the opportunity to lead change! #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
ksivick: |
A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead ..READY? #edchat |
| 11:42 pm |
joe_bower: |
Progressive Ed reform travels a fine line. Tchrs need to help kids in current system, while also tearing down & rebuild the system #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
tkraz: |
RT @djainslie: I dont think money is the motivator for great teachers- the ones I know are driven by the love of the craft<-agree! #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
michaelcjohnson: |
RT @ksivick: If you're great, please don't become an admin, come and teach my kids! :) #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
Who's up for year round school Do you thin that will help kids achieve more? #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
mrsdanastpierre: |
RT @djainslie: I don't think money is the motivator for great teachers- the ones I know are driven by the love of the craft #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
RT @Mamacita: Schools now forced into roles decent parents are supposed to fulfill.This takes up time & resources then not avail for teaching. #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@KevinByers Yup! Broken system = drained teachers = 'good' teachers leaving in droves = bad results for students #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
bjnichols: |
@mbcampbell360 Defining quality has little to do with testing. It is the work they do every day with kids. It's about growth. #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
tonnet: |
RT @soulful1: Gracias @tonnet extra money paid to teachers willing to go into areas that need diversity in teachers the most. works both ways. #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
& we base all of this on faulty comparisons. Remember we test ALL our kids. How many other countries do that? #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
azjd: |
Educational Change: What Is Your Role? - good (relevant) read #edchat http://icio.us/wux2cc |
| 11:43 pm |
ksivick: |
RT @MrMusselman: @ksivick If you're great, please become a mentor, and teach more teachers your ways! #edchat OK, that'll work :) |
| 11:43 pm |
AntHeald: |
@shawdave then maybe don't wait to be asked (that's my biggest stumbling block, I think) #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
shawdave: |
I can speak my little mind here, because that's what we do here. I do run the risk of being labeled a nutcase though ;-) #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
angeliqueinva: |
Fundamental ? : What conditions are required to permit each and every student to grow? Those conditions are not present everywhere. #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
foustmusic: |
I don't think good teachers feel they have a "voice" in their schools...good things are happening, but in isolation #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
melhutch: |
@thenerdyteacher Year round with current system would just drain everything and one more, no? #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
tbfurman: |
@amychim absolutely not. the common core should be a much smaller piece of a student's experience than it is going to be. #edchat |
| 11:43 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@tonnet U have a huge bureaucratic & logistical organization to create and run. => not our core value. What needs 2 happen within is #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
plugusin: |
@web20classroom : The bright spots always seem to come in inventive charter/private school settings. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
Ok, I have a new solution: we all moved to Finland where the education system valued in society :) #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@web20classroom - Nice positive thought. What is working in education right now? #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
getsweetie: |
#edchat What is working is grassroots efforts to change what can be changed locally among teacher #tmn10 Teach Meet collaborations,sharing |
| 11:44 pm |
spedteacher: |
@melhutch My idea of transformation is to start from zero and build what we think it should be. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
kylepace: |
@fiteach @VanessaSCassie What does just an "ax instantly" mentaility do for reform? Didn't NCLB already try this? #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@bjnichols But how do you sepearte good from bad teachers if no definite definition of growth? How do we know who to fire? #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
radicalgeek: |
@tonnet @joe_bower Maybe we need to be louder. It's easy to say no one heard us when many only complain in the tchr's lounge. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
spedteacher: |
@melhutch Tinkering with the system is what got us where we are now. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
Philip_Cummings: |
Gotta run. Onward & upward, everyone! #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
KevinByers: |
@VanessaSCassie One of the reasons I am considering leaving myself (can't believe I just admitted that!) #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
plugusin: |
@web20classroom : We should promote innovation there and find practices to scale to larger settings. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
theprofspage: |
RT @Mamacita: Schools now forced into roles decent parents are supposed to fulfill.This takes up time & resources then not avail for teaching. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
getsweetie: |
#edchat what is working is faculties that are recognizing that its about the learners, despite the obstacles and making it happen creatively |
| 11:44 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@VanessaSCassie - I'll book my flight through orbitz right now. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
melhutch: |
Positive thought- look at how many great educators you meet in your pln- lots of good things happening #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
@ksivick Not sure why exactly, but not so comfortable with this idea. Maybe more a fear of the affluent schools on the poor ones. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
arosey: |
@TheNerdyTeacher I talk year-round school to parents, teachers, admin, etc. No one wants to give up summer. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
theprofspage: |
RT @djainslie: I don't think money is the motivator for great teachers- the ones I know are driven by the love of the craft #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
ChalkTalkers: |
@web20classroom- giving teachers time to collaborate and share successes is working #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
cybraryman1: |
They should have a take your politician to work day & give them the chalk! #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
Mamacita: |
School was once a place where those who wished to learn went to learn. Now it's responsible for most of the home's responsibilities. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
megormi: |
RT @davidfisher65: @megormi I agree with you. That would mean that teachers would actually have 2 change. A scary thought for many. #edchat |
| 11:44 pm |
tkraz: |
RT @plugusin: @web20classroom : The bright spots always seem to come in inventive charter/private school settings<-b/c more freedom #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
K12Live: |
Obama Proposes Sweeping Education Reforms, New Federal Commitment To Kids http://ow.ly/1vlTC #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
web20classroom: |
RT @plugusin: We should promote innovation there and find practices to scale to larger settings. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
bjnichols: |
Effective reform has occurred in many indiv. schools. We need to spotlight & spread the work that is being done. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@kylepace I didn't say instantly..but I've seen many teachers get pushed through the system, much like kids... #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
phsprincipal: |
Students must be taught more how to do, and less about what to know #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
chanel4news: |
RT @davidfisher65: @megormi I agree with you. That would mean that teachers would actually have 2 change. A scary thought for many. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
joe_bower: |
Yong Zhao's perspective is priceless. US wants what China is throwing away while China wants what US is abandoning #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
melhutch: |
RT @spedteacher: @melhutch My idea of transformation is to start from zero and build what we think it should be. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
DonaKimberly: |
Anyone read Good to Great? What is education's Hedeghog Concept? #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
theprofspage: |
@TheNerdyTeacher Maybe yrround school is the answer. I don't know. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
amychim: |
@TheNerdyTeacher #edchat define year round schooling. Kds need the summer to do some hands on learning/socializing. Not sit at desk |
| 11:45 pm |
azjd: |
We ARE the system - another must read for educators #edchat #reform http://icio.us/nq02uk |
| 11:45 pm |
doctorjeff: |
Can't ever get back in time for the start of a #edchat. Really tried this evening. |
| 11:45 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@tonnet We also do not have the power needed to pull it off. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@KevinByers Admitting it is the first step! lol I struggled with that for 2 years, then finally threw in the towel... #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
akamrt: |
@theprofspage #edchat What does grad rate tell u? It isn't the prob it is a symptom. If the goal is tst scores the grad rate won't change. |
| 11:45 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@melhutch - I agree. The system needs to be stripped bare and rebuilt with the students of the 21st Century in mind. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
arosey: |
@foustmusic Effective admins include those teachers in the decision making process. Sadly, how many effective admins do we have? #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
djainslie: |
RT @bjnichols: Effective reform has occurred in many indiv. schools. We need to spotlight & spread the work that is being done. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
WendyE40: |
@Digin4ed: @DonaKimberly easier to take risks as a tchr once you have proven yrself a bit, then you get a little more wiggle room #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
gfred33: |
How about have all educators on short contracts and if they are successful then their contracts are renewed if not then let em go. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
doctorjeff: |
RT @azjd: We ARE the system - another must read for educators #edchat #reform http://icio.us/nq02uk |
| 11:45 pm |
Digin4ed: |
RT @bjnichols: Effective reform has occurred in many indiv. schools. We need to spotlight & spread the work that is being done. #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
BAoki: |
Rephrasing Q: how can businesses help edu out? (I realized ppl thot I meant private schools last time) #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
annebeninghof: |
Co-teaching between sped and gen ed can make huge differences in student learning - if teachers have time to plan together #edchat |
| 11:45 pm |
getsweetie: |
#edchat and let us not forget that when innovation is working, it raises fear in those who do not wish to change...yet change is needed. |
| 11:45 pm |
KevinByers: |
@mbcampbell360 I have no idea how to measue who to fire, but I'm sure the teachers in a building know who should not be there. #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
tbfurman: |
@webclassroom across the US, poll data reliably report that people are satisfied with their local schools. It's mostly bright. #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
kylepace: |
Yes! I'm ready to shift to positives! RT @melhutch: look at how many great educators are in this pln- lots of good things happening #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
fiteach: |
@kylepace I was a tchr in crisis 1 year w/ a class that was awful. I asked 4 help & was refused by admin. I wanted help, not firing. #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
doctorjeff: |
@azjd Yes it's amazing that an intimate grp always refer to 'they' but often we are they. #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
dtitle: |
WE remove bad teachers. WE do reform! When we act like professionals then we will be treated as such. Seize this power from admin! #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
evemarfil: |
Great!That's what the government fo Alberta is doing- Safe and Caring Schools- http://education.alberta.ca/teachers/safeschools.aspx #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
mmkrill: |
RT@phsprincipal:If we in education abdicate role as leaders of reform,we deserve what we get.We must seize opportunity 2 lead change!#edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
tbfurman: |
It's just that the "accountability" people have taken control of the narrative #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
MrMusselman: |
@mbcampbell360 When kids fail we don't "fire" them. Can we re-examine how to improve bad teachers? Mentoring? Greater PD reqs? #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
web20classroom: |
RT @ChalkTalkers: Giving teachers time to collaborate and share successes is working #edchat <-I hope so! |
| 11:46 pm |
CrazyQuilts: |
@lhiltbr #edchat. So, me thinks u wldn't be a fan of national standards? |
| 11:46 pm |
theprofspage: |
@ksivick srsly, we need more mentors that are willing to go the extra mile. My best mentoring colleague is my mom - NBC'd LMS! #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
bjnichols: |
@BAoki The relevance gap would be showing students how the info. they learn will be relevant to careers they want to pursue. #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
pammoran: |
how abt challenging traditions of industrial schooling and 1850 management technology? need new norming instead of reforming #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
My mantra I know, but all students need to feel safe and secure to learn. Changes mking it more difficult to love students first. #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@melhutch @arosey @theprofspage @amychim Longer breaks over the course of the year instead of 3 months free in the summer. #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
spedteacher: |
@annebeninghof All teaching should be special ed. All students should have individual ed plans. #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
kylepace: |
@VanessaSCassie Just made me think of Rhode Island school. Were there some that def. needed to go? Prob. But all? #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
cuppa_coffee: |
RT @azjd: We ARE the system - another must read for educators #edchat #reform http://icio.us/nq02uk |
| 11:46 pm |
e_squared: |
Trying to open the minds of my students,free them from prescribed formulaic thinking,and get them to actually think for THEMSELVES! #edchat |
| 11:46 pm |
WendyE40: |
RT @bjnichols: Effective reform has occurred in many indiv. schools. We need to spotlight & spread the work that is being done. #edchat How |
| 11:47 pm |
getsweetie: |
#edchat One of the realities of teacher evaluations needs to be comparing where a learner began and ended, not apples to oranges. |
| 11:47 pm |
joe_bower: |
It makes very little sense for developed countries like the US & Canada 2 fret over 'catching up' to developing nations like China #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
akamrt: |
#edchat Tchrs r most well epuipt to diagnose probs and design change and least consulted in rethinking schs. |
| 11:47 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@MrMusselman I agree, this is necessary. Only tchrs that choose to not improve should be let go #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
acalderon52: |
RT @web20classroom: RT @ChalkTalkers: Giving teachers time to collaborate and share successes is working #edchat <-I hope so! |
| 11:47 pm |
usamimi74: |
rlly think the way society views Public schools in US goes back 2 history, started out as babysit service not edu.. How 2 change ? #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
cusilleee: |
RT @azjd: We ARE the system - another must read for educators #edchat #reform http://icio.us/nq02uk |
| 11:47 pm |
ksivick: |
@bjnichols Lead the way in spreading the word about effective reform...seriously... #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
djainslie: |
@spedteacher yes, and something we have gotten away from... unfortunately #edchat 'reform to educate?" |
| 11:47 pm |
mzmacky: |
When you talk about great tchrs... how are you defining or measuring that? #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
tonnet: |
@Digin4ed Agree. How then, are we teachers going to influence fine decisions? #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
web20classroom: |
RT @pammoran: how abt challenging traditions of industrial schooling and 1850 management tech?Need new norming instead of reforming #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
kylepace: |
@fiteach I know! I've been there early in my career too! #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
fiteach: |
Yes! RT @VanessaSCassie: @kylepace I didn't say instantly..but I've seen many tchrs get pushed through the system, much like kids... #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
krains: |
@gfred33 What would determine who was successful and renewed? A test? #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@K12Live Yes, we currently have an advocate in the white house, need to show how is can be done/ provide data => can get help 2 chg. #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
soulful1: |
RT @TheNerdyTeacher: Who's up for year round school Do you thin that will help kids achieve more? #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
shawdave: |
@kylepace I have one of *those* classes this year, in a subject area I knwo nothing about, both kids and I were dumped there #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
#edchat @arosey @melhutch @theprofspage @amychim - Long breaks mid year and a month in July or August. |
| 11:47 pm |
joe_bower: |
We got where we are by leading the way and 4 some reason we r now turning around to follow those who are trying to catch ujp with us #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
DeputyMitchell: |
@web20classroom I'm a learner too! My pupils know that! Creates a non-threatening climate for learning! That's my bright spot! #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
how about we take just the tiniest fraction of money spent on the military and put it into education #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
doctorjeff: |
@mmkrill Echoing a tweet from months ago - there are 6 million teachers in the US. That is force for change - if organized. #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
megormi: |
RT @spedteacher: @annebeninghof All teaching should be special ed. All students should have individual ed plans. #edchat I so agree! |
| 11:47 pm |
theprofspage: |
@mrmusselman @mbcampbell360 Honestly, we should consider firing some kids. I know that sounds harsh but they need to be elsewhere. #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
GBrothersJr: |
Shouldn't goal as a teacher be to have as many kids in AP/IB classes as possible. Rather challange kids then let their minds waste #edchat |
| 11:47 pm |
laroncarter: |
@@DonaKimberly Good to Great is a excellent and What Makes the Great Great by D. Kimbrough is my all time fav. #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
teachagiftedkid: |
#edchat I would love to see an educational environment built around what we know now about best practices based on solid research. |
| 11:48 pm |
bjnichols: |
@mbcampbell360 We have expectations of student growth locally. Great teachers exceed those goals with all kids when others couldn't #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@kylepace Definitely not all! For the record,I'm completely against mass firings, just need to face reality for a select few smetmes #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@KevinByers Hmm, interesting thought. What if we made it more socilist? Allowed tchrs to suggest who should be let go? #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
zecool: |
#edchat @KevinByers What works for the student, yes. I'm also thinking of tech for PD, multiple formats, comm with parents, etc. |
| 11:48 pm |
teacher6th: |
RT @tomwhitby: @jasontbedell High stakes test are measuring more retention of facts than learning. We need to assess learning. #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
Mamacita: |
Why are kids who don't want to learn & don't want your child to learn, either, allowed to remain? Violence & bullies bring us down. #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
arosey: |
How to be a young innovator in a school of rocks? The naivete and inexperience of a novice teacher can be a powerful tool sometimes! #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
mtechman: |
RT @akamrt #edchat Tchrs r most well epuipt to diagnose probs and design change and least consulted in rethinking schs. |
| 11:48 pm |
mrsbrownmusic: |
@MmeVeilleux I'm reading and agreeing with you! Thanks for your input! #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
CrazyQuilts: |
@krains I think that's part of the problem. there needs to be some sort of an assesment, but what? #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
Ed reform cant just fix todays problems but must try to guess the problems we will face in the future. That's the real issue ahead. #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
web20classroom: |
@evmaiden I hope so...it seems like it some places...I just wonder about places where it isn't...what do we do with those kids? #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
theprofspage: |
@mrmusselman @mbcampbell360 Students who continually disrupt the lrng environment need to be in a different kind of school. #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
rugcernie: |
@GetSweetie #edchat We're short on space, but anytime teachers stop addressing the idea of high standards, it disturbs me. |
| 11:48 pm |
thinkingparents: |
@VanessaSCassie Examples of assessments to include diverse learners - oral exam, graphic presentation, report, skill application #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
radicalgeek: |
Not familiar with Yong Zhao? For an intro, this video is great http://bit.ly/hSCbf #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
spedteacher: |
@djainslie Reform is wrong word to use then. It does not mean what you are talking about, and all its misuse has made it meaningless #edchat |
| 11:48 pm |
khephir: |
RT @joe_bower: Education reform that is driven by non-educators is like agriculture reform being driven by Billy Crystal. Curly would not approve #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
kylepace: |
@VanessaSCassie I can definitely agree with that. #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
doctorjeff: |
RT @rugcernie: @GetSweetie #edchat We're short on space, but anytime teachers stop addressing the idea of high standards, it disturbs me. |
| 11:49 pm |
joe_bower: |
RT @azjd: We ARE the system - another must read for educators #edchat #reform http://icio.us/nq02uk |
| 11:49 pm |
fiteach: |
Sorry! I've got to run. Enjoyed the #edchat . Thanks everyone. |
| 11:49 pm |
megormi: |
RT @doctorjeff: @mmkrill Echoing a tweet from months ago - 6 million teachers in the US. That is force for change #edchat Roadblocks? |
| 11:49 pm |
CrazyQuilts: |
@web20classroom new norming? got an example for me? #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
joe_bower: |
For more on the China-US edreform paradox check out Yong Zhao http://bit.ly/9H3UhE #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
mmkrill: |
RT @annebeninghof: Co-teaching b/t sped & gen ed can make huge differences in student learning-if teachers have time 2 plan together #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
soulful1: |
RT @theprofspage: @mrmusselman @mbcampbell360 Honestly, we should consider firing some kids. I know that sounds harsh but they need to be elsewhere. #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@kylepace Yay! We're in agreeance! =) #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
EricTownsley: |
@akamrt agree, days of rote memorization are over, we need to create problem solvers! #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
plugusin: |
@web20classroom : I wonder if we'd see more bright spots if we diversified the kinds of schools we offer to kids. #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@theprofspage Or schools with kids who are disruptive need to be different schools #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
DoeMiSo: |
#edchat The teachers that need the most help changing are not the ones here! Preaching to the choir again. |
| 11:49 pm |
annebeninghof: |
I like to see co-teaching between new and experienced teachers - we get the energy and the experience blended in the classroom #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
gfred33: |
@krains growth on tests/performance, parent surveys, student surveys, admin. evals. #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
Mamacita: |
Employers have the right to expect certain basic skills from an employee who has a diploma. Otherwise, it's a joke. #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
getsweetie: |
Learners need to be evaluated on their individual needs...in that way I agree IEP teaching, e.g. Prescriptive Teacing is important #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
MrMusselman: |
Why not year round school w/ 4 day school week? Sustained learning over time? #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
mbteach: |
Seems like it was a heavy #edchat tonight. Chins up everyone! |
| 11:49 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@theprofspage - I agree. Many students do not fit in the traditional structure of HS. They need alternatives to be successful. #edchat |
| 11:49 pm |
tperran: |
RT @thenerdyteacher: @web20classroom - Nice thought. What is working in education right now? #edchat This looks good: http://bit.ly/c3F5m0 |
| 11:49 pm |
robbyslaughter: |
@Mamacita If education is only for people who want to be educated, where should everyone else go? #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@tonnet convince local power holders to do things differently, demo success, then can leverage via educators to bigger power. #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
djainslie: |
@theprofspage my question is why are they disruptive? no child wants to fail- need more community connected schools #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@bjnichols I agree, a local definition may be more appropriate #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@thinkingparents Good ideas in theory, but extremely difficult to construct purposeful and authentic forms of each... #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
arosey: |
RT @DoeMiSo: #edchat The teachers that need the most help changing are not the ones here! Preaching to the choir again. |
| 11:50 pm |
K12Live: |
@fiteach Thanks for contributing. #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
DonaKimberly: |
@laroncarter Thanks. I'll check into that. #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
spedteacher: |
@rugcernie But should all students be held to the same high standards, or does high standards have diffrnt meaning for diffrnt kids? #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
zecool: |
#edchat @jlangtello Exactly my point. Equitable access for all. I'm from a small Canadian province (NB) where this a a guiding principle. |
| 11:50 pm |
olballcoach: |
@TheNerdyTeacher I taught @ yr round school.Not bad - but hard for kids to readjust after 3 weeks off. Like 1st day of school again. #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
plugusin: |
@web20classroom : I'm not sure "one-size-fits-all" schools can provide customized bright spots for every kid. #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
ChalkTalkers: |
Provide teachers with expanded career paths based on their passions and knowledge- good 4 teachers and students #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@fiteach - Great chatting with you. Tweet ya later. #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
doctorjeff: |
RT @EricTownsley @akamrt agree, days of rote memorization are over, we need to create problem solvers! #edchat |AMEN |
| 11:50 pm |
rugcernie: |
@GetSweetie #edchat In college, I can be tough but fair; it's hard to do that in high school with disciplinary issues, etc. |
| 11:50 pm |
theprofspage: |
@akamrt We're changing the way we calculate the grad rate too. But shouldn't AYP have found this? #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
Mamacita: |
RT @mbcampbell360: @theprofspage Or schools with kids who are disruptive need to be different schools // Absolutely!!! #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
kylepace: |
@VanessaSCassie I wasn't disagreeing. Just made me think of mass firings and that's a whole other #edchat topic! :) |
| 11:50 pm |
getsweetie: |
@rugcernie Yes, and the continuing idea that conformity of all educational offerings is best.. #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
corriekelly: |
RT @annebeninghof: I like to see co-teaching between new and experienced teachers - we get the energy and the experience blended in the classroom #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
EricTownsley: |
@plugusin should schools be specific to area of study rather than liberal arts? #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
CrazyQuilts: |
@usamimi74 #edchat I think somehow teachers HAVE to be viewed as professionals and we much claim our profession |
| 11:50 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@theprofspage Actually, I feel we should fire their parents, that's where the buck should stop #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
web20classroom: |
@plugusin I think so...kids do better learning from each other and their differences...Sad Wake took a step backwards.... #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
BAoki: |
Folks talk about "firing kids" from school, but as outsider I wonder: where will those kids go? Hanging out near whose house? #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
K12Live: |
RT @phsprincipal: Students must be taught more how to do, and less about what to know #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
GBrothersJr: |
@phsprincipal educators must look beyond party lines and spprt canidates who truely help us reach goals we have for stdents and ed #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
tonnet: |
RT @Digin4ed: @tonnet convince local power holders to do things differently, demo success, then can leverage via educators to bigger power. #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
theprofspage: |
@akamrt Kids were making progress on AYP but not grad rate. What does that mean? #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@tonnet ah, not at mercy. Need to work what drives them and fuel that. #edchat |
| 11:50 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
RT @Philip_Cummings: Funny to me that all the success stories are different. Diff. people doing different things, but then we mandate 1 size for all. #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
spedteacher: |
@djainslie Disruptive students are trying to tell you something they cannot articulate. All behavior is communication. #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
IanYorston: |
@melhutch Re: "Agree with risk taking; but also with empowerment & support" <- Agree 100%. Freedom to Succeed. Permission to Fail. #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
web20classroom: |
@plugusin But how to we have schools that work for every kid? #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
joe_bower: |
@radicalgeek @tonnetI love #edchat but how many tchrs talk like they do on #edchat when they are not on #edchat? |
| 11:51 pm |
shawdave: |
bring back trade schools. the world needs carpenters, masons, ditch diggers, heavy equipment operators, electricians too #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
doctorjeff: |
You know, stepping back from the myriad #edchat discussions - the problem seems clear - lack of coherent national leadership. |
| 11:51 pm |
angeliqueinva: |
YES! RT @soulful1: RT @TheNerdyTeacher: Who's up for year round school Do you thin that will help kids achieve more? #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
getsweetie: |
Confidence is only truly earned through competence...we do children no favors when they are not required to learn #edchat @rugcernie |
| 11:51 pm |
evemarfil: |
RT @azjd We ARE the system - another must read for educators #edchat #reform http://icio.us/nq02uk |
| 11:51 pm |
corriekelly: |
RT @K12Live: RT @phsprincipal: Students must be taught more how to do, and less about what to know #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
bjnichols: |
@wmchamberlain Count me in as long as the debate moves us forward in the process.It has 2 start locally.My kids can't afford 2 wait. #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
mizminh: |
acknowledging the reality that education/learning is not the sole preserve of the school/classroom- most damaging assumption evah! #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
@annebeninghof i know plenty of "old" teachers with a ton of energy too! #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
Digin4ed: |
nothing breeds like success. #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
spedteacher: |
@K12Live Students must be taught less and allowed to discover more. #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
djainslie: |
@BAoki agreed- scares me when others give up on kids, sad... #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
thart74: |
It's interesting to me how ppl are quick to say "get rid of the new" when the old/ineffective way is threatened 2 b thrown out. #edchat. |
| 11:51 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@evmaiden oops! Missed ur reply re: 'success': no, not the same, but need to be careful of longterm consequences for dif. def. #edchat |
| 11:51 pm |
amychim: |
@getsweetie #edchat we do that with our speds sometimes no progress in areas due to abs or IQ level shouldnt reflect bad on thcr |
| 11:51 pm |
rosamariatorres: |
? RT @joe_bower makes little sense for developed countries ie.US & Canada 2 fret over 'catching up' 2 developing nations like China #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
kylepace: |
RT @spedteacher: @K12Live Students must be taught less and allowed to discover more. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
Mamacita: |
When a child is not safe at school and knows it, how can we expect him/her to learn? & why do we allow dangerous kids to be there? #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
doctorjeff: |
Everyone that wants to make a difference -improve the system - has an opinion on what we should be doing. #edchat all well intentioned |
| 11:52 pm |
tperran: |
RT @spedteacher: Disruptive students are trying to tell you something they cannot articulate. All behavior is communication. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
laroncarter: |
RT @GBrothersJr: @phsprincipal educators must look beyond party lines and spprt canidates who truely help reach goals 4 stdents and #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
olballcoach: |
Sounds like what coaches preach to players all the time...RT @Digin4ed: nothing breeds like success. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
IanYorston: |
"Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett, 1983 #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
pammoran: |
new norms- Jcurve instad of bell curve expectations, flex schedules, no texts, PBL as core, customized 1:1 learning options #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
gfred33: |
RT @spedteacher:Disruptive students are trying to tell you something they cannot articulate. All behavior is communication. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
theprofspage: |
@djainslie They want attention? They don't give a care about my class? They're choosing to fail and not turn in any work? #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
web20classroom: |
RT @spedteacher: Disruptive students are trying to tell you something they cannot articulate. All behavior is communication. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
dtitle: |
RT @spedteacher: @djainslie Disruptive students are trying to tell you something they cannot articulate. All behavior is communication. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
bjnichols: |
@ksivick That's what we are trying to do. Show that it can work without sacrificing standards, scores, etc. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@BAoki - I think that those kids need an alternative to the traditional HS model. Options are need for success. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
evmaiden: |
@web20classroom there has always been unequal schools - teach students how to learn and create "bright" spots outside the schools? #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
annebeninghof: |
@spedteacher Perhaps it is an issue of how much time it takes to reach the standard? #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
tonnet: |
@Digin4ed Now that sounds interesting. Make our voices to be heard with local power holders. Let's reform one board at a time! #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@WendyE40 @DonaKimberly true easier to take risks w/tenure, but still more disincentives than incentives (IMO) #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
eliza_peterson: |
hey everyone! Just got done with piano lessons. reading quickly to see what's going on.... #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
doctorjeff: |
But moving in 10,000 different directions is not coherence but chaos. We NEED national leadership so we can move together. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
Imagine a world in which everything you did was tested ad nauseum. How would you like it? Now think about your students. #edchat |
| 11:52 pm |
GBrothersJr: |
@TheNerdyTeacher would not mind year round at all create more of a flow then start stop of current set up #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
DouglasCrets: |
I think it makes sense to partner with chinese institutions on ed development. in some areas, they have it figured out. #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
tbfurman: |
I think high stakes reading tests aren't so much about fact retention. They're about reducing a complex behavior to a data-point. #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
corriekelly: |
@Mamacita #edchat Good point- for many stdts, survival is 1st priority |
| 11:53 pm |
Mamacita: |
@robbyslaughter Once it would have been to farms, factories, etc. Now, I don't know. But it's not fair for a child to be endangered. #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
RT @cybraryman1: They should have a take your politician to work day & give them the chalk! LITERALLY! #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
theprofspage: |
@MrMusselman Dothan AL has an altntv schl that acts like a normal campus with an AP Chem tchr. Heard good things about it. #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
tbfurman: |
It's actually worse than fact-retention #edchat. |
| 11:53 pm |
BAoki: |
Yep, every Tuesday, my head explodes with #edchat :) - if you want to see passion about education, tune in here |
| 11:53 pm |
laroncarter: |
@BAoki Re: kids out hanging around who's house? Security!!! #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
mzmacky: |
biggest reform happens in my classroom when those one or two disrupters are absent... what does that say? #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
thinkingparents: |
Children need to be taught how to think. Typically adults provide answers for everything and think of it has helping. #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
web20classroom: |
@evmaiden I think that might be the only way with the way things are going...but really that should be what we are doing. #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
RT @BAoki: Yep, every Tuesday, my head explodes with #edchat :) - if you want to see passion about education, tune in here #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
usamimi74: |
@CrazyQuilts agreed. I dont c many ppl telling surgeon how to perform N wich tools 2 use. Yet most ppl think they R teachers #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
getsweetie: |
Came from a sm twn rural area that produced a high number of effective ldrs bec they were expected to integrate learning/thinking #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
corriekelly: |
@mbcampbell360 #edchat Well put! Imagine if tables were turned... |
| 11:53 pm |
robbyslaughter: |
@mbcampbell360 Everything you do in the world IS tested ad nauseum. The difference is that students know about more of the tests. #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
mme_h: |
RT @spedteacher: Disruptive students are trying to tell you something they cannot articulate. All behavior is communication. #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
shawdave: |
@arosey I've been watching brick layers put up walls on a drugstore. I'd like a job, where I could see progress every day #edchat |
| 11:53 pm |
eliza_peterson: |
@mbcampbell360 NOT fun and not realistic...sad that is what can happen to kids... #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
ksivick: |
standards, benchmarks, assessments ..Oh My! I just want kids who have figured out how to learn & have found their passion #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
spedteacher: |
@soulful1 Doing more of what doesn't work is not going to make it work. Don't make school year-round, make the 10 months better. #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
web20classroom: |
@evmaiden We need to help kids become creators...understand the value of all learning... #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
djainslie: |
@theprofspage sounds like it maybe the curriculum? is it relevant to their lives- are they having survival issues? can't give up #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
millerblair: |
@radicalgeek Agree teachers need to model healthy responses to failure 4 stud. & it isn't permitted for either group at the moment #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
theprofspage: |
@mbcampbell360 I agree. But I already raise them during 8-3:20! #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
radicalgeek: |
@joe_bower I'll admit I sometimes bite my tongue, since I'm low on the totem pole. But what's the solution? #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
megormi: |
RT @doctorjeff: But moving in 10,000 different directions is not coherence. We NEED natl leadership so we can move together. #edchat OK WHO? |
| 11:54 pm |
teacher6th: |
@BAoki send mentors into the schools to motivate students #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
tonnet: |
@doctorjeff National and local leadership. The whole is not larger that its parts. #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
akamrt: |
@theprofspage #edchat A doc can't diagnose illness w/ a plunger. If it didn't find it, it wasn't designed to. |
| 11:54 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@GBrothersJr - Yes. Spend first couple of weeks on refreshing their minds. Waste of time. #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
getsweetie: |
@amychim Appropriate achievement must be based on appropriate goal Amy...for many of my children the NCLB goal was ridiculous #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
tacanderson: |
RT @BAoki: Yep, every Tuesday, my head explodes with #edchat :) - if you want to see passion about education, tune in here |
| 11:54 pm |
gfred33: |
It is hard to help students be successful when many careers are looked down upon by schools. #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
amychim: |
RT @TrudyNorton: RT @cybraryman1: They should have a take your politician to work day & give them the chalk! LITERALLY! #edchat great idea |
| 11:54 pm |
educatoral: |
Student misbehavior is comm, I agree, but I owe the 28 who are learning the chance to learn. Could mean misbeh stud needs other hlp. #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@robbyslaughter But they are tested in truer ways. A written test only tests one thing, your ability to write a written test #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
spedteacher: |
@Mamacita What ever gave you the idea kids don't want to learn? They just don't value what you're teaching for some reason. #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
SimplySuzy: |
@mzmacky It does settle down for that time, but someone else would bubble to the top, I think. There's always a range of behavior #edchat |
| 11:54 pm |
usamimi74: |
RT @BAoki: Yep, every Tuesday, my head explodes with #edchat :) - if you want to see passion about education, tune in here |
| 11:55 pm |
K12Live: |
Much love tonight #edchat PLN. Thanks for making me smarter. Off to draft tomorrows plans for my clssrm reform. Until next time, peace. |
| 11:55 pm |
laroncarter: |
Much love tonight #edchat PLN. Thanks for making me smarter. Off to draft tomorrows plans for my clssrm reform. Until next time, peace. |
| 11:55 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
RT @web20classroom: @evmaiden We need to help kids become creators...understand the value of all learning... #edchat <---- Yes! |
| 11:55 pm |
rugcernie: |
@GetSweetie #edchat Conformity is a strong word. I'm not for total federal regulation of curriculum, but there has to be more than now! |
| 11:55 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
While we a stripping systems, can we take a look and our government? Florida's for sure? #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
theprofspage: |
Does anyone else feel overwhelmed and wish you could grab coffee with everyone here? PD up that whazoo! #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
akamrt: |
@theprofspage Same is true of high stakes testing it doesn't look for what matters most #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
WendyE40: |
@Digin4ed @DonaKimberly Even w/o tenure, if tchrs are motivated and engaged in own learning process, risk taking will happen (IMO) #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
dtitle: |
If teachers were to throw out ineffective teachers instead of letting admin do it, the way we are perceived would transform. #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
evemarfil: |
Teachers would rather focus on what is working and buffer it, act in a positive way, no matter what, as agents of change! #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@theprofspage I know, let's stop educating kids and start educating parents #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
ksivick: |
RT @thinkingparents: Children need to be taught how to think. Typically adults provide answers for everything and think of it has helping. #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
theprofspage: |
RT @TheNerdyTeacher: RT @web20classroom: @evmaiden We need to help kids become creators...understand the value of all learning... #edchat <---- Yes! |
| 11:55 pm |
Mamacita: |
In a perfect world, families that did not value education would be labeled abusive and sent to parenting classes. #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
DonaKimberly: |
@Digin4ed @WendyE40 So true. It's these disincentives that stalls progress. :( #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
mizminh: |
@mbcampbell360 Japanese teachers, horrified to learn motivating was a teachers responsibility - "That is the parents task" #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@olballcoach coaches are right on this one. #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
corriekelly: |
@ksivick #edchat How to find the perfect balance bet curriculum, assessment, instruction & creativity, passion? |
| 11:55 pm |
amychim: |
@GetSweetie #edchat agree |
| 11:55 pm |
kylepace: |
Want to help foster reform? Mastery options, involve parents, equal significance of all. #edchat (realize easier said than done) |
| 11:55 pm |
K12Live: |
@Digin4ed Forums like these archived and analyzed are great realtime data intel. #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
azjd: |
RT @IanYorston: "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett, 1983 #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
bjnichols: |
The kids I work with couldn't wait for a reform movement. We had 2 get started. They r saving the world while exceeding benchmarks. #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
doctorjeff: |
@arosey Leadership's about making the case to disparate voices building consensus & having authority 2 say we're now jumpin in pool #edchat |
| 11:55 pm |
foustmusic: |
RT @megormi: RT @doctorjeff: But moving in 10,000 different directions is not coherence. We NEED natl leadership so we can move together. #edchat OK WHO? |
| 11:56 pm |
BrianStPierre: |
@TrudyNorton what is happening in FL is absolutely sickening... maybe it is the education system hitting bottom #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@VanessaSCassie - #edchat allows like minded teachers to take steps to changing all aspects of education. |
| 11:56 pm |
SimplySuzy: |
I LOVE the mentors that come in to help my 3rd graders #edchat. Everyone benefits!! |
| 11:56 pm |
usamimi74: |
@theprofspage every week... Best PD in yrs #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
RT @theprofspage: Does anyone else feel overwhelmed and wish you could grab coffee with everyone here? PD up that whazoo! #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
Mamacita: |
@spedteacher Some kids would rather cause trouble than even listen & give something a chance. Not fair to child in next seat. #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
rosamariatorres: |
Re distinctions developed/developing. USA/Canada developed? China developing? 1st & 4th worlds coexist in every country.Each is diff #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
rugcernie: |
@GetSweetie Cities can do same thing as your town,but expectations must be uniform in conceptual thought -- not necessarily content. #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
akamrt: |
@theprofspage #edchat That the tool doesn't connect w/ what's important |
| 11:56 pm |
doctorjeff: |
Without national leadership we're all a bunch of well intentioned chickens running around the hen house. #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
KevinByers: |
@mbcampbell360 Nice tweet. Next time try to have a little more voice in your writing (B-) #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
psmisle45: |
RT @azjd: RT @IanYorston: "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett, 1983 #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
Could u imagine that poor coffee shop! Ha! RT @theprofspage: Does any1 else feel overwhelmed & wish u cld grab coffee w/every1 here? #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
tomwhitby: |
Thanks to all of the Edchatters for the thoughtful and respectful contributions to our ongoing conversation on Education. #Edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
mbcampbell360: |
@mizminh Really? Fantastic, I love it. that is partly the attitude we need here #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
eliza_peterson: |
RT @azjd: RT @IanYorston: "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett, 1983 #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
doctorjeff: |
RT @tonnet: @doctorjeff National and local leadership. The whole is not larger that its parts. #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
corriekelly: |
@rugcernie #edchat Hmmm...conformity or consistency of instruction? |
| 11:56 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@theprofspage - I'm on board if everyone else is! #edchat PD Coffee break. |
| 11:56 pm |
spedteacher: |
@annebeninghof Again, should the standards be the same for all students? #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
theprofspage: |
@djainslie I'm losing faith in the system. The Man is putting me down! There was no college class on school board politics! #edchat |
| 11:56 pm |
millerblair: |
@joe_bower Not only talk, but how do we act outside of #edchat. I'll put my hand up & say my actions don't match my talk on issues. |
| 11:56 pm |
kylepace: |
Thank you to so many that I learned from during tonight's #edchat. |
| 11:56 pm |
VanessaSCassie: |
@TheNerdyTeacher Couldn't have said it better myself! :-p #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
arosey: |
@gfred33 Agreed, looked down both upon by schools and society. We need to prepare kids for life after school, not just college. #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
phsprincipal: |
We need to quit tinkering with current structure. @pammoran is right, new norms not reform. What are the barriers to get us there? #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
getsweetie: |
@rugcernie Yes, its about expectation of processes required and base skill abilities mastered, but thinking processes expected #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
TheNerdyTeacher: |
@SimplySuzy - The more people involved in educating students the better. #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
tonnet: |
RT @doctorjeff: Without national leadership were all a bunch of well intentioned chickens running around the hen house. #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
EricTownsley: |
Great conversations tonight on #edchat. Thanks for expanding my mind and challenging my thinking! |
| 11:57 pm |
monk51295: |
https://innovation.ed.gov/ideas/pitch/YXTxrTX/ #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
rroysden: |
so much to take in and think about--thanks to all involved in #edchat--I'm looking forward to the archive to rehash #edchat tonight |
| 11:57 pm |
TrudyNorton: |
RT @tomwhitby: @jasontbedell High stakes test are measuring more retention of facts than learning. We need to assess learning. #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
doctorjeff: |
@tonnet A rare disagreement! Local leadership needs to follow national leadership if the future of a nation is at stake. #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
unklar: |
reform in education has to occur abruptly and quickly; will be painful; we've tried the evolutionary change model for too long #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
Digin4ed: |
@DonaKimberly @WendyE40 so part of reform needs to be: change incentives to disincentives relationship f->or educators to change. #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
usamimi74: |
RT @djainslie: @Mamacita agreed- it's called educational neglect-- sadly hard to prove and enforce #edchat |
| 11:57 pm |
web20classroom: |
Our hour is coming to an end...but please feel free to carry on the conversation as long as you want! Thats the beauty of #edchat! |
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